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In reply to the discussion: Trump administration deports hundreds of migrants even as judge orders that removals be stopped [View all]BumRushDaShow
(169,957 posts)35. But you cannot ignore what was in your highlighted section
by any foreign nation or government
A gang of criminals is NOT "a foreign nation" or a "government". That sounds more like the elected officials who are now running the U.S. if anything.
If the NATION/GOVERNMENT of Venezuela attacked or the NATION/GOVERNMENT of El Salvador attacked and Congress declared war, then THAT might justify use of this authority, where those individuals would basically be POWs, and can be dealt with under specific authorities (and treated per the Geneva Conventions that we signed off on), and deported.
I.e., if there were state-sponsored TROOPS or SPYs, etc., sent into the U.S., then that might trigger a need for diplomacy, after which if that fails, a declaration of war.
In the case of the video of George Takei who was impacted by the "Alien Enemies Act", he was a child at the time, his family was rounded up, and put in a series of concentration "camps" including one that was originally a horse race track where the families were assigned actual "horse stalls" to live in. This was done after that event that my mother often talked about as having happened when she was 11 years old - the bombing of Pearl Harbor (a base on what was then a U.S. territory), which lead the U.S. to declare war on the nation ( "empire" ) of Japan.

We have NOT "declared war" on any nation.
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Trump administration deports hundreds of migrants even as judge orders that removals be stopped [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
OP
No. It's. Not. -- executive is not obligated to follow an unconstitutional judicial order
cadoman
Mar 2025
#5
Honest question: What was illegal about the deportation of the "Venezuelan gang members?"
Polybius
Mar 2025
#14
What was "illegal" was the use of the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798" to do it
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#20
When I saw saw your reply, I was literally listening to a local news radio report on this very subject
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#23
While your intent may be laudable your understanding of the legal case at hand and
moniss
Mar 2025
#16
that is essentially what the EO asserts, it uses the term "hybrid criminal state" (nt)
cadoman
Mar 2025
#31
I don't believe they are all gang members any more than I believe "their eating the cats and dogs".
Cobalt Violet
Mar 2025
#24
"It would be a mistake to use our political capital protecting TdA terrorists"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#3
you do know that the ACLU battled a far more extreme use of this power and lost, right?
cadoman
Mar 2025
#7
agree, and the plaintiffs will have to prove that TdA is an independent org from Venezuela
cadoman
Mar 2025
#37
we have a shit-ton of overcrowded and poorly-funded facilities that desperately need to be improved
cadoman
Mar 2025
#10
The problem -AGAIN- is the use of the authority from the "Alien Enemies Act of 1798"
BumRushDaShow
Mar 2025
#34