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3. my problem with the awb and magazine ban

Sun Dec 23, 2012, 06:30 PM

Dec 2012

he is mostly right, people who use force or violence against others are always wrong and always criminal, not people who just own an object peacefully.

theres nothing unpeaceful or morally wrong with owning a 30rd clip or a semi auto ar-15. its actions that are wrong, not property.

i'm against nonviolent victimless crimes (which owning a 30rd mag would be if they were banned), expanding the police state, expanding the prison system, decreasing civil liberties, etc. so i'm conflicted.

peaceful actions are not criminal actions. there's nothing criminal about owning an ar-15 with a 30rd mag and shooting it at paper at the firing range, why make such an individual into a legal criminal? or demand that he surrender his property to the state though he has done no wrong with it, and use force and violence to coerce him to do so?

as a principled liberal, i'm conflicted on this issue.

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NRA: We will oppose semi-automatic weapons ban [View all] michigandem58 Dec 2012 OP

"Every Third World dictatorship in the country." BeyondGeography Dec 2012 #1

We've armed 99% of the "3rd World" Dictatorships. cbrer Dec 2012 #27

I'm guessing that refers to Arizona (esp. Maricopa County).... lastlib Dec 2012 #29

Yeah, that's a pretty bizarre thing to say... Deep13 Dec 2012 #32

Fact AR-15 is most popular gun, is reason enough to restrict them. Hoyt Dec 2012 #2

and? agorist Dec 2012 #5

Nice try, troll... Comrade_McKenzie Dec 2012 #7

I'm condemning bigoted gun lovers who think more guns is a good response to Sandy Hook. Hoyt Dec 2012 #11

should it be legal for people to build and sell bombs and accessories, even if they've never blown Voice for Peace Dec 2012 #41

By your reasoning.... paleotn Dec 2012 #55

how do you figure? Deep13 Dec 2012 #34

The fact gun lovers are attracted to them. They are produced and marketed to appeal to gun culture' Hoyt Dec 2012 #37

Would it have mattered if they weren't white? n/t ComplimentarySwine Dec 2012 #65

That's just it, where I live the folks arming up are bigots afraid minorities are going to get them. Hoyt Dec 2012 #86

my problem with the awb and magazine ban agorist Dec 2012 #3

You should be conflicted, elleng Dec 2012 #10

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #15

Owning such anti-social implements are not 'peaceful actions,' elleng Dec 2012 #18

No one is trying to take away all your guns! beac Dec 2012 #22

You must not read all the posts in these gun threads. former9thward Jan 2013 #106

Gee, you are tiresome. beac Jan 2013 #110

Month old? former9thward Jan 2013 #111

The OP was made on 12/23. My post was made on 12/23. You replied on January 21. beac Jan 2013 #114

The Supreme Court and Lurks Often Jan 2013 #105

The Second Amendment right elleng Jan 2013 #109

So, your need to shoot multiple bullets a minute into a target trumps society's need to be safe from beac Dec 2012 #14

thats a stupid argument agorist Dec 2012 #16

These objects CANNOT be used peacefully, elleng Dec 2012 #19

There are 300 million guns in the US NickB79 Dec 2012 #59

So 10,000 gun homicides a year is a reasonable number? Robb Dec 2012 #63

No, it's not reasonable at all NickB79 Dec 2012 #67

As I've said, 'these objects' refer to 'the awb and magazine ban' referred to by poster. elleng Dec 2012 #71

Funny. None of mine have ever hurt anyone. AtheistCrusader Dec 2012 #85

yet PaulaFarrell Dec 2012 #95

I was referring to poster's 'awb and magazine ban,' elleng Dec 2012 #68

Well, there are tens of millions of AR-15's and AK-47 clones in the US NickB79 Dec 2012 #72

Right back at you buddy. beac Dec 2012 #20

None of the stuff Jenoch Dec 2012 #48

But a "well-regulated militia" is. How many gun owners belong to a beac Dec 2012 #70

Apparently all of them NickB79 Dec 2012 #75

"the unorganized militia" So, you are claiming "unorganized" is now a synonym for "well-regulated"? beac Dec 2012 #79

I never said I agree with it, just that's what the law says NickB79 Dec 2012 #82

Why would you use an example to support your argument that you don't agree with? beac Dec 2012 #94

Haven't you heard? Jenoch Dec 2012 #90

Yes, and beac Dec 2012 #93

Really? atreides1 Dec 2012 #25

At a firing range? OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #31

Target practice, hunting, home defense NickB79 Dec 2012 #60

"Home defense" falls into your definition of "peaceful" use???? beac Dec 2012 #73

Yes, it does NickB79 Dec 2012 #77

a) We're gonna have to disagree on "peaceful" and b) just because something is "popular" beac Dec 2012 #81

I'm cool with that NickB79 Dec 2012 #84

Peacefully is not the right description atreides1 Jan 2013 #101

Why would anyone want a semi-automtic weapon? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #28

Ineresting RantinRavin Dec 2012 #40

And what do you hunt with a semi automatic? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #42

Duck, Dove, Deer, and Turkey RantinRavin Dec 2012 #44

So? With a ban, hunting might be a WEE bit harder beac Dec 2012 #76

Virtually every hunter JoeyT Dec 2012 #58

No, virtually every hunter does not.... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #66

You'd be surprised at how far semi-autos have come, accuracy-wise NickB79 Dec 2012 #69

AR-15s are extremely accurate hack89 Jan 2013 #102

The use of the word weapon is the wrong way to go at this. bamacrat Jan 2013 #103

All guns are weapons... Sekhmets Daughter Jan 2013 #104

The NRA, Gun Apologists And DU Sympathizers Should Be Ashamed, Shamed And Shunned cantbeserious Dec 2012 #4

Its CLEAR they represent gun MAKERS, not gun users, elleng Dec 2012 #6

Why is that clear? naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #100

What ban, instruments of war? Yes, they would. elleng Jan 2013 #107

I think you are living in a bubble naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #108

So, water still wet and the NRA still the nationwide marketing arm of weapons manufacturers. beac Dec 2012 #8

NRA just turned from responsible gun safety education to ME ME ME MINE MINE I'LL BLAST YOU AWAY! Panasonic Dec 2012 #9

Actually semi auto is deadlier The Green Manalishi Dec 2012 #12

The small arms automatic weapons Jenoch Dec 2012 #49

Big f'ing surprise there. CanonRay Dec 2012 #13

WELL of course you would oppose it! SoapBox Dec 2012 #17

bump firing slider stock...essentially makes AR-15 fully automatic... Evasporque Dec 2012 #21

You don't need new laws to outlaw that stock NickB79 Dec 2012 #36

Bump firing is incredbly inaccurate. Jenoch Dec 2012 #50

not by replacing parts qkvhj Dec 2012 #87

Shocking. Liberal Veteran Dec 2012 #23

Well now that's a surprise. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #24

Keene sounds like a racist. Oh, he is the NRA person...yup, he is a racist. graham4anything Dec 2012 #26

Just curious... OneMoreDemocrat Dec 2012 #33

the part about the third world dictatorships graham4anything Dec 2012 #62

Of course they will. They work for merchants of death. blackspade Dec 2012 #30

and of course new boy couldn't answer the question loyalkydem Dec 2012 #35

Killing is a sufficient purpose, I would say NickB79 Dec 2012 #39

If you need 30 round clips to kill you are a lousey shot, period. You don't need that kind of weapon loyalkydem Dec 2012 #46

I'm perfectly fine with 10-rd magazines NickB79 Dec 2012 #56

A ban on semi-automatic weapons would go far beyond AR-15's NickB79 Dec 2012 #38

I'm surprised Rhiannon 12866 hasn't blocked this article yet... jonesgirl Dec 2012 #43

this from an org that shields criminals by opposing background checks, not surprised. PUKE wordpix Dec 2012 #45

Semiautomatic is a far broader category than AR15s. Deep13 Dec 2012 #47

Dayum, I sure do want to know who AL was gaming with!! What if we're looking at an NRA conspiracy to patrice Dec 2012 #51

The Smith & Wesson rifle Jenoch Dec 2012 #52

Splitting hairs over the type of guns they REALLY are, PDJane Dec 2012 #53

Just made a rare visit to billh58 Dec 2012 #54

God, that's really the thing, isn't it? Robb Dec 2012 #57

Technical jargon is important, JoeyT Dec 2012 #61

Everyone knows what an assault rifle is? NickB79 Dec 2012 #64

When someone says "assault rifle" JoeyT Dec 2012 #74

So, if a person only uses 10-rd magazines in an AR-15 NickB79 Dec 2012 #80

Legally the gun used at Sandy Hook was not an assault rifle hack89 Dec 2012 #91

gun culture spankster1958 Jan 2013 #99

Any reference to a semi-auto rifle Jenoch Dec 2012 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author mr_liberal Dec 2012 #78

It's not up to the NRA anymore. onehandle Dec 2012 #83

Well duh, they should, they're a pro-gun group Ter Dec 2012 #88

No wonder he was absent for 7 days. caseymoz Dec 2012 #89

Then how about this? jmowreader Dec 2012 #96

I hope they keep talking obama2terms Dec 2012 #97

Then why not send them all to third world countries? marshall Dec 2012 #98

NRA: We will oppose logical reasoning, common sense, and any semblance of morality Zoeisright Jan 2013 #112

What a bunch of complete fuckwits. Katorama Jan 2013 #113