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Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
23. What do you thinl political leverage is?
Sun Jun 29, 2025, 12:37 PM
Jun 2025

It includes bribery, extortion, and then some. So there is no disagreement there.

But I see where we disagree: you object to political leverage being applied to Israel's internall affairs, but not when it applies to the US foreign policy.I disagree.

I no longer respond to the dog whistles and trigger words being hurled at Israel that have nothing to do with reality. This is pure propaganda, and it is impervious to rational discourse, as I keep being reminded of time and again, so I am going to disregard this nonsense as waste of my time.

What I will do, however, is disagree with you on the principle distinction between cutting aid as an instrument of meddling in internal affairs and cutting aid as an instrument of influencing the conduct of war. To begin with, in the case of Gaza the conduct of war was heavily influenced by the same internal affairs that Trump is trying to influence, including Netanyahu's trial, and I think this is the main reason why the war in Gaza became such a disaster: the internal affairs of Netanyahu's coalition interfered heavily with the IDF ability to achieve its military objectives. So internal politics of Israel and are at the core of the US military aid to Israel no matter how you look at it.

Your premise is to cut aid in order to facilitate Netanyahu's accountability, Trump's premise is to cut aid in order to prevent Netanyahu's accountability. Principally, this distinction is superficial. While there are many other things involved, withholding of military aid has to do with Israel's internal politics.

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so, we do not support israel unless they allow corruption? rampartd Jun 2025 #1
Or maybe cede Gaza land to the trump kids... mpcamb Jun 2025 #3
It could be a good investment per Jared Kushner, Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #11
Bribery is the only thing the corrupt, orange POS knows. sinkingfeeling Jun 2025 #2
Fun Fact FredGarvin Jun 2025 #4
The ones that live outside of big cities and Ilsa Jun 2025 #6
Shhh... BumRushDaShow Jun 2025 #9
Definitely a teacher & a "rabbi rouser"!! Ilsa Jun 2025 #22
HA! mahina Jun 2025 #27
Jesus wept Bayard Jun 2025 #21
Wait till they find out Israelis get free healthcare and can have abortions mahina Jun 2025 #26
When was BN ever a war hero? Ilsa Jun 2025 #5
Bibi is a war criminal, not a war hero. Lonestarblue Jun 2025 #16
Actually, he was DavidDvorkin Jun 2025 #33
Then I must take my comment back. Ilsa Jun 2025 #46
It surprised me, too DavidDvorkin Jun 2025 #47
Good. travelingthrulife Jun 2025 #7
Yes. No more funds for genocide or wars of aggression... AloeVera Jun 2025 #30
"very similar to the" attempts at accountability "that I was forced to endure" William Seger Jun 2025 #8
So threatning to withhold aid from Israel to exert momentary political leverage is bad. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #10
No, threatening to withhold aid from Israel to support corruption of that nation's government is bad. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #12
I agree. So I don't get the "No" in your response. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #14
That's where we differ Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #15
Very Well Stated :: Thank You Uncle Joe (n/t) wyn borkins Jun 2025 #17
What do you thinl political leverage is? Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #23
I make a major distinction between using political leverage to undercut the law and that of promoting it. Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #24
Trump also tried to use his "political leverage" to withhold $391M from Ukraine unless they investigated Biden. sop Jun 2025 #31
The way I see it, Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #32
You will have to be more specific than that. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #34
It's not complicated, *rump is trying to undercut Israeli law and justice vs Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #35
Stopping the sale of offensive weapons to Israel has nothing to do with international law. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #36
It does if you respect the Geneva Conventions or the Leahy Law. n/t Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #37
Leahy is an amendment, and not to international law. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #38
I said both American and International Law Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #39
Thanks for the references. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #40
The Geneva Conventions sets the guidelines for humanitarian law which Netanyahu's government is violating Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #41
The Geneva Conventions do not set the rules for military aid from one state to the aother. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #42
I never said the Geneva Conventions set the rules for military trade from one state to another. Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #43
Then you deflected. Beastly Boy Jun 2025 #44
It's obvious to anyone witnessing what's going on in Gaza, that crimes against humanity is pervasive. Uncle Joe Jun 2025 #45
Keep Bibi Free Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #13
Sarcasm, I presume....it's our patriotic duty to stop these endless wars walkingman Jun 2025 #18
Really is tough to make sense of insanity. Kid Berwyn Jun 2025 #19
More prosecution is persecution Bayard Jun 2025 #20
Mob bosses, both mahina Jun 2025 #25
Trump just found out he couldn't pardon Bibi. sop Jun 2025 #28
War hero? He's a damn war criminal. And a crook. Dave Bowman Jun 2025 #29
Just buying a pardon before the verdict is announced. republianmushroom Jun 2025 #48
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