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Hekate

(100,133 posts)
57. If you are referring to quotas, yes, that worked very well for generations of white men...
Sun Jul 6, 2025, 04:44 PM
Jul 2025

Last edited Tue Jul 8, 2025, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Women need not be admitted/hired, they’ll only get married, then pregnant, and waste their education. African-Americans, certainly not. As for Jews, sooner or later the institutions had to recognize the exceptionalism of a tiny fraction, enough to have a quota that admitted a few of these competitors, but only a few and no more.

Ruth Bader-Ginsberg was one of only a very few women admitted to her law school — one of her professors (maybe the Dean himself) made her, during the introductions, stand up and justify why she, a woman, deserved to take a man’s place there. Quotas — because those places belonged to men, specifically white Christian men (but not Roman Catholic, because that would mean Irish and Italians and the Pope in Rome) .

Affirmative Action, on the other hand, does not operate on a quota system. The simplest possible explanation, the easiest to grasp, came to me from a County manager. County is civil service, and requires an exam as well as a resume. The exam has a range of acceptable scores. In a county with about 50% Latinos, how is it possible for the County employment roster to have almost no Latinos?

Well, back before LBJ, there used to be no requirement for open recruitment, so a supervisor was likely to simply tell his (his) current staff that an opening was coming up, and they would tell their relatives and neighbors. Interested persons would take the exam, and if they scored anywhere along the acceptable range (even the bottom of acceptability) they were hired. Long-time employees would say it was “just like working with family” — to which I say, “No Duh.”

Affirmative Action changed some laws (requiring open recruitment being one) and changed the County employment culture, too, at least in my county and at least until it was outlawed. Across the whole nation (in hiring and in education) the very concept was always tarred with the Right Wing accusation that AA was quotas for unqualified POC and women. “Unqualified women and POC” who were unfairly taking places that were rightfully those of white men.

The Right Wing has won. But AA, which I worked on for over a decade, was not a quota system. The Right Wing, in its insistence that AA is soooooo unfair, is simply admitting that their white sons cannot handle competition.

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Is that all they've got? Ocelot II Jul 2025 #1
Yep. That's what they got. They are two large pieces of crap. NoRethugFriends Jul 2025 #2
It's a technicality Pototan Jul 2025 #3
...Gotta find something wrong with the guy. Safe as Milk Jul 2025 #12
Well, I respectfully disagree Pototan Jul 2025 #17
Thanks for keeping it honest. Majority of DU wouldn't agree. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #22
He didn't identify as "Native African." pnwmom Jul 2025 #35
True - but that is because Native American is the only group requiring validation from one of the 574 tribes recognized 24601 Jul 2025 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author AZProgressive Jul 2025 #65
My Grandparents Are Hungarian, Polish, German, and Scottish DrFunkenstein Jul 2025 #75
I can kind of understand his dilemma. What do you put when the choices don't Tadpole Raisin Jul 2025 #28
Exactly. mwooldri Jul 2025 #52
My brother was born in Japan....... LeftInTX Jul 2025 #94
An embarrassingly weak allegation, sort of like Obama's birth certificate. Silent Type Jul 2025 #4
So a high school student who immigrated here as a child from Africa pnwmom Jul 2025 #5
No, when he admitted non of his South Asian family married any Africans rogue emissary Jul 2025 #23
"my parents are black" is indeed how Americans comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #29
Thank you. Be careful on DU. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #32
I know. I am considered too insensitive by many. comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #33
He was an immigrant who knew he came from Africa. pnwmom Jul 2025 #36
It's completely understandable and forgivable for an 18 yo kid. comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #41
From what I've read, that is the only instance they could find of him doing that. pnwmom Jul 2025 #43
If that's the case it's no more than a youthful error. comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #50
he grew up in America and was exposed to race and racism for years. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #47
He was a high school kid who checked multiple boxes -- both South Asian and African, pnwmom Jul 2025 #64
I was comparing him to myself when I was a High School student. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #66
The word "African' doesn't tie a person to a particular tribe. nt pnwmom Jul 2025 #68
Exactly, it's a Continental landmass. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #80
Then why did you compare his situation to your not identifying as Seminole? pnwmom Jul 2025 #81
When I applied to colleges. I always checked the Black or African American. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #84
But you had lived in this country for your whole life. Zohran and his family had lived in Africa. pnwmom Jul 2025 #85
I do and that's clear. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #91
Last thing as you point out he was 17 teenager. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #93
He was seven. My grandparents were born and raised in Turkey and came here as adults. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #95
How is a high school student from Uganda supposed to know pnwmom Jul 2025 #34
He was living in the US since 5 years old JI7 Jul 2025 #74
Actually, he was 7 when his family moved here markpkessinger Jul 2025 #77
So what? He was still a high school student. I've had three kids that age and I bet pnwmom Jul 2025 #79
He's from a life of privilege. His mother is a hugely successful film maker. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #100
LOL. You're assuming that his parents didn't TEACH him to view himself as having come from Africa. nt pnwmom Jul 2025 #101
What do you do when a form says "check all that apply" ? I guess for you that's easy... Hekate Jul 2025 #42
He still wouldn't apply. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #49
He was 18 Hekate Jul 2025 #59
How would you expect the high school student to know what the box specifically did or didn't mean? pnwmom Jul 2025 #102
Does this mean Cuomo is running against Mamdani again? AZProgressive Jul 2025 #6
How many generations have to be born in Africa to qualify as African? mackdaddy Jul 2025 #7
Musk family goes back three generations in South Africa. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #24
Exactly. comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #30
"We" don't refer to that racist 54 yr. old as African American. The only time on record that Zohran pnwmom Jul 2025 #44
He shouldn't even respond. It's a non issue Pisces Jul 2025 #8
It's a none issue to you and majority of DU. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #25
So those votes will go to choie Jul 2025 #45
Not necessarily. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #48
That's how we got *rump questionseverything Jul 2025 #60
Agree 100%. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #61
Exactly. choie Jul 2025 #89
Not voting choie Jul 2025 #88
I'd say Adams gets the vote Polybius Jul 2025 #71
A vote for a corrupt choie Jul 2025 #90
I hope not, but he's doing the never apologize strategy. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #92
A litteral example of Whatabout-ism IbogaProject Jul 2025 #9
BINGO! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jul 2025 #20
New Yorkers don't care what race Mamdani says he is, they just want lower rent. SunSeeker Jul 2025 #10
Being that he's in the hands of the real estate lobby choie Jul 2025 #46
I can see why many are calling the NYT latest "bombshell" about Mamdani a hit piece. summer_in_TX Jul 2025 #11
The NYT is going after him. thought crime Jul 2025 #40
Yes, pretty damn clear. And scurrilous. summer_in_TX Jul 2025 #86
Uganda is in East Africa Pototan Jul 2025 #13
Musk joked about himself being African American Polybius Jul 2025 #15
leftist called him crazy and offensive for saying it. rogue emissary Jul 2025 #26
Is Musk a teenager? Did Musk only say that on a college application where he also checked off pnwmom Jul 2025 #37
That's arguably worse than a joke, but you can't criticize one without the other Polybius Jul 2025 #69
Sure you can. Musk is a middle aged man and Zohran was a teenager. pnwmom Jul 2025 #72
The joke wasn't binding Polybius Jul 2025 #73
Every bit as much as three generations of residence comradebillyboy Jul 2025 #31
True, in the US. But there was no definition written on the college application, pnwmom Jul 2025 #39
Mamdani winning must be scaring the daylights Deminpenn Jul 2025 #14
So far it's either out right criminals and verified sex pests endorsing his opponent. Hassin Bin Sober Jul 2025 #16
What desperation Adams and Cuomo are showing. RedArkGuy Jul 2025 #18
Considering they refused to publish hacked JD Vance emails fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #19
If you are referring to quotas, yes, that worked very well for generations of white men... Hekate Jul 2025 #57
The losers "calling for an investigation!!!!!" Grins Jul 2025 #21
A couple of pots calling the kettle.... SSJVegeta Jul 2025 #27
Just another smear that no one should care about. thought crime Jul 2025 #38
Guys... stollen Jul 2025 #51
Unforced error by Cuomo. (Adams doesn't matter.) Scrivener7 Jul 2025 #53
So, a guy from Africa said he was "African-American"... appmanga Jul 2025 #54
So the guy was all of 18 and staring a college application form in the face... Hekate Jul 2025 #58
His dad is a professor at Columbia. We tried checking all the blanks when we applied in the 70s. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #96
That's certainly an exceptional set of parents he has. He may indeed have been cocky from the start... Hekate Jul 2025 #98
If you get a chance to see any of his mother, Mira Nair's movies, they're worth it. LeftInTX Jul 2025 #99
Monsoon Wedding was hers? It was overshadowed by My Big Fat Greek Wedding... Hekate Jul 2025 #105
This is July's replacement to June's "Biden's Health!" headliners. Torchlight Jul 2025 #106
Just wow Diraven Jul 2025 #55
In a normal universe, you would expect Democrats to rally behind their candidate. eggplant Jul 2025 #62
All this makes me like Mamdani more and more mainer Jul 2025 #63
Who are they to talk? iemanja Jul 2025 #67
Deport Cuomo please. nt KPN Jul 2025 #70
Sounds serious, Adams and Cuomo Torchlight Jul 2025 #76
This whole thing is silly mcar Jul 2025 #78
Racist POS Trump Used This To Derail Elizabeth Warren's Campaign DrFunkenstein Jul 2025 #82
Not really "miles ahead" Polybius Jul 2025 #83
Wow didn't realize Adams was polling behind Silwa fujiyamasan Jul 2025 #87
It looks like a lot of Republicans are voting for Cuomo this election Polybius Jul 2025 #97
Non-issue. no_hypocrisy Jul 2025 #103
Maybe they should call him "Pocahontas." Gore1FL Jul 2025 #104
Uganda is in Africa Bluestocking Jul 2025 #107
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