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WarGamer

(18,860 posts)
54. This is a little misleading...
Sat Aug 9, 2025, 07:09 PM
Aug 2025

What Z is actually saying is... the same as he's said since 2022.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has consistently maintained that any potential peace agreement with Russia involving territorial changes or significant compromises would require a national referendum and the support of the Ukrainian people. He has emphasized that Ukraine's Constitution declares the territory indivisible and inviolable, making such decisions subject to a national vote.
Zelenskyy’s position has been reiterated on various occasions:
In March 2022, he informed a Ukrainian public media outlet that any deal reached in peace negotiations with Russia, particularly if they are "historic" changes, would be subject to a referendum in Ukraine. According to The Times of Israel, he said the people would need to weigh in on certain types of compromises.
He has also stated that issues such as security guarantees and the occupied territories, including Donbas, would be presented to the Ukrainian people in a referendum, according to The Kyiv Independent.
Following proposals regarding potential territorial swaps to end the war, Zelenskyy firmly stated that Ukraine would not give up land and emphasized that Ukraine's borders are fixed in the country's constitution, according to Reuters.
This stance underscores the importance of public opinion and the constitutional framework for any peace settlement involving changes to Ukraine's territorial integrity. Zelenskyy has made it clear that while Ukraine seeks a lasting peace, such a peace must be built on justice, respect for international law, and the will of the Ukrainian people.



In other words... any "deal" created by the US, Russia, EU and Ukraine would have to be assembled and packaged into an offer given to the Ukrainian people who would VOTE in a nationwide referendum.

THAT is what he's saying above.

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Game Over no_hypocrisy Aug 2025 #1
Who cares about the Nobel outside of his head? Moostache Aug 2025 #60
Swap territory. Stupid thing for TACO to consider. He swapped territory with Merv Griffin once ... marble falls Aug 2025 #2
The Shart of the Deal. tanyev Aug 2025 #3
"But it's really good shit." marble falls Aug 2025 #9
Is that the same Taj Mahal . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 2025 #6
... and then had it demolished? Yep. marble falls Aug 2025 #10
Successful businessman JI7 Aug 2025 #17
I remember Trump bragging about how he oasis Aug 2025 #7
Back when Bill Clinton saved TACO and his bankers from going under by guaranteeing a billion dollars in new ... marble falls Aug 2025 #12
Wow! 2016 "Frontline" segment tells it all. oasis Aug 2025 #20
I'd forgotten all about that NJCher Aug 2025 #15
Did I Miss Something? DallasNE Aug 2025 #16
Exactly what I thought too. What part of Russia does he actually think they are going to "swap?" Ol Janx Spirit Aug 2025 #34
47 and Putin are engaged in the mutual masturbation version of the "Art of the Deal." pat_k Aug 2025 #50
Hand Tough Zelinski! Chasstev365 Aug 2025 #4
Just sayin' . . . AverageOldGuy Aug 2025 #5
Russia used to own Alaska, too, until it was purchased by the US. Think the orange monster wants to swap it back... Hekate Aug 2025 #44
Why else do you think the meeting will be in Alaska? Diraven Aug 2025 #58
Parts of almost every country in the world were formerly parts of other countries. Maps change constantly. eppur_se_muova Aug 2025 #57
I suppose Russia could swap some territory in Siberia for the port city of Crimea ToxMarz Aug 2025 #8
Maybe they should give Ukraine Moscow. That might be fair given the atrocities Russia has committed. travelingthrulife Aug 2025 #22
Mr. trump makes PM Chamberlain look positively descive and insightful in comparisom Torchlight Aug 2025 #11
Chamberlain had a much different and frankly vastly weaker hand to play dsc Aug 2025 #33
Interesting take! cilla4progress Aug 2025 #39
From my readings of the time, that's correct Emrys Aug 2025 #55
Stillborn Decisions DallasNE Aug 2025 #13
I have a counter-proposal DFW Aug 2025 #14
I will trade you my shithole countries Hornedfrog2000 Aug 2025 #18
There's Putin putting his foot in the door. It will end up being the same as Putin always wants ck4829 Aug 2025 #19
Now we're talking business. ReRe Aug 2025 #42
So Trump's brilliant new plan is the same old thing he has been saying. travelingthrulife Aug 2025 #21
Worse than that - Emrys Aug 2025 #23
Damn 3auld6phart Aug 2025 #24
I think Trump enjoys destroying this country. He would do it for free. travelingthrulife Aug 2025 #25
Trump will give himself a Knobel Prize anyway. C_U_L8R Aug 2025 #26
AS IF Vlad the Invader would ever agree to give up one square centimeter of Russian land to Ukraine! ShazzieB Aug 2025 #27
There's also the fact that in some of the disputed territory, Emrys Aug 2025 #30
Thanks for the additional info. ShazzieB Aug 2025 #32
The shark analogy is spot-on: "He has to keep moving or he'll drown" Hekate Aug 2025 #45
K&R ReRe Aug 2025 #43
What an absolutely craven suggestion by an absolutely craven little man. malthaussen Aug 2025 #28
don't... myohmy2 Aug 2025 #29
Just goes to show that Trump is Hey Joe Aug 2025 #31
Maybe the meeting in Alaska is to discuss another land swap Bayard Aug 2025 #35
Or Alaska? cilla4progress Aug 2025 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Bayard Aug 2025 #36
Sounds like Donny brought his knee pads to the meeting. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2025 #37
We must have cilla4progress Aug 2025 #38
Zelenskyy's Answer To Trump DallasNE Aug 2025 #41
It's like Zelensky doesn't even want Donny to get the Nobel Peace Prize! tanyev Aug 2025 #46
Trump, you're not dealing with a 14 year old nimphet here. Xipe Totec Aug 2025 #47
Well, 8 months later we see TSF's plan to end the war in 24 hours. bluestarone Aug 2025 #48
A polite way of telling trump to go to hell with Putin his master. republianmushroom Aug 2025 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Jacson6 Aug 2025 #51
I say bullshit to this. bluestarone Aug 2025 #52
The Meeting Is In The US OhioTim Aug 2025 #53
This is a little misleading... WarGamer Aug 2025 #54
If you insist, and you're nothing if not tiresomely consistent Emrys Aug 2025 #56
Since TACO mentioned 'Swapping' : Bread and Circuses Aug 2025 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m Aug 2025 #61
Doh! It appears Trump was talking out of his arse anyway (BIGLY surprise): Emrys Aug 2025 #62
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