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FBaggins

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5. Because they couldn't get a majority to agree on an amount
Thu Aug 21, 2025, 11:51 AM
Aug 2025

Last edited Thu Aug 21, 2025, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

The five judges apparently split three ways.

It's a long decision and I've only gotten started with it - but it appears that one of the five judges would have tossed the entire thing on the theory that the AG couldn't bring the case in the first place. Two others agreed that she had the power and that at least some of the charges were valid... but that the ruling was so defective that the case needed to be sent back down to the supreme court to try again... except they knew there was no way that was going to happen. The two remaining judges agreed that James could bring the case and that the non-financial penalties were well constructed... but that the fine was unconstitutionally excessive.

Two judges wouldn't be able to assign a new/lower amount and they agreed that there was no way that the lower court could start over (because the defendant is POTUS)... so they tossed the entire amount.

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Trump $464 Million NY Civil Fraud Penalty Vacated on Appeal LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #1
Well, I'd have bet half a billion that this was inevitable Orrex Aug 2025 #2
Why wouldn't the judge just reduce the judgement, Bayard Aug 2025 #3
Because we are now a colony of Russian. orangecrush Aug 2025 #4
Because they couldn't get a majority to agree on an amount FBaggins Aug 2025 #5
WTF makes these judges more expert on what's "unconstitutionally excessive" than the AG and her team?! ancianita Aug 2025 #7
I put the link to the ruling in the OP comments BumRushDaShow Aug 2025 #9
Thanks. Forgot to look. ancianita Aug 2025 #12
I get the frustration... but the answer is "almost everything" FBaggins Aug 2025 #11
Thank you RoseTrellis Aug 2025 #13
Justice ?? chuckle chuckle republianmushroom Aug 2025 #6
He's still liberalgunwilltravel Aug 2025 #8
THERE IS NO JUSTICE IN THIS COUNTRY IF YOU ARE EXTREMELY WEALTHY OR HAVE A LOT OF POWER!!!! sdfernando Aug 2025 #10
You're so right about that Fernando. Justice, and the entire system, is rigged for the wealthy. BComplex Aug 2025 #15
Ever notice that only the creeps and criminals in the US get all the breaks? Bev54 Aug 2025 #14
i am gonna declare all my property is worth $1 pimpbot Aug 2025 #16
Not all is lost, yet (?) BaronChocula Aug 2025 #17
Statement from AG James LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #18
How many appeals to the appeals of the appeals of the other appeals... Justice matters. Aug 2025 #19
The fraud finding was upheld, it is just the amount that is in question. mackdaddy Aug 2025 #20
Deadline: Legal Blog-The Trump civil fraud case is a mess. Another round of appeal could clean it up. LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2025 #21
The judicial system working as planned. n/t TheFourthMind Aug 2025 #22
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