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In reply to the discussion: Secret longer version of US National Security Strategy calls for Core 5 countries to run the world [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(105,437 posts)70. Trump wants to destabilise European democracy. Where on earth is parliament?
Youd think MPs would be lining up to decry the US presidents support for far-right nationalists. Instead, only backbenchers and a few junior ministers bothered to turn up
Reform wasnt alone in its cowardice. Kemi Badenoch, that proud defender of British democracy, was also nowhere to be seen. Nor indeed were any of her shadow cabinet. Instead it was left to Mike Wood, a shadow junior minister of such little importance that even he doesnt have a clue what his job is meant to be, to speak for the Tory party.
In what may well be a first and last outing at the dispatch box for an urgent question, Mike managed to completely miss the point. At first he didnt even seem to have grasped that the question was about the US security strategy. Instead he waffled on about the Tories promising to increase defence spending to 3%. No wonder the few MPs that were in the chamber looked baffled. And then when he did get to the strategy, he offered the remarkable observation that it was really all about China. People who were concerned about Russia were being neurotically conspiratorial. Almost as though the Tories were also going out of their way to appease The Donald.
Not to be left out, the Labour frontbench were also guilty of being absent without leave. Westerns urgent question had originally been directed at the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, but Darren Jones was nowhere to be seen. So the short straw went to Seema Malhotra, the lowest-ranked minister in the Foreign Office, to do the honours for the government. She looked miserable throughout.
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Then a few caveats. All done in a mumble. Hoping that no one in the US embassy was listening and would report back to the president. We did have a slightly different perspective on some things, she said almost inaudibly. But then again, too few to mention. It took a while but after a bit of pressing, she got round to saying that Sadiq Khan was doing a decent job. Though the president hadnt in any way been racist in calling him a horrible, disgusting man. Would this do? Could she sit down now?
It was left to Western himself, with contributions from the Labour MPs Chi Onwurah, Liam Byrne and the Lib Dems Calum Miller and Bobby Dean to get to the heart of the matter: there was nothing remotely normal about the US security strategy. It was all there in black and white. A threat to destabilise European democracies. Support for far-right nationalists. Withdrawal from Nato. Support for Russia. It was a moment of existential crisis for Europe. It was time to wake up. When the US president says this stuff, you had better believe him. Just choosing to ignore it all, hoping things will work out if you dont rock the boat was an abrogation of responsibility.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/11/asked-about-the-donalds-national-security-strategy-the-commons-was-remarkable-for-its-absences
Reform wasnt alone in its cowardice. Kemi Badenoch, that proud defender of British democracy, was also nowhere to be seen. Nor indeed were any of her shadow cabinet. Instead it was left to Mike Wood, a shadow junior minister of such little importance that even he doesnt have a clue what his job is meant to be, to speak for the Tory party.
In what may well be a first and last outing at the dispatch box for an urgent question, Mike managed to completely miss the point. At first he didnt even seem to have grasped that the question was about the US security strategy. Instead he waffled on about the Tories promising to increase defence spending to 3%. No wonder the few MPs that were in the chamber looked baffled. And then when he did get to the strategy, he offered the remarkable observation that it was really all about China. People who were concerned about Russia were being neurotically conspiratorial. Almost as though the Tories were also going out of their way to appease The Donald.
Not to be left out, the Labour frontbench were also guilty of being absent without leave. Westerns urgent question had originally been directed at the chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster, but Darren Jones was nowhere to be seen. So the short straw went to Seema Malhotra, the lowest-ranked minister in the Foreign Office, to do the honours for the government. She looked miserable throughout.
...
Then a few caveats. All done in a mumble. Hoping that no one in the US embassy was listening and would report back to the president. We did have a slightly different perspective on some things, she said almost inaudibly. But then again, too few to mention. It took a while but after a bit of pressing, she got round to saying that Sadiq Khan was doing a decent job. Though the president hadnt in any way been racist in calling him a horrible, disgusting man. Would this do? Could she sit down now?
It was left to Western himself, with contributions from the Labour MPs Chi Onwurah, Liam Byrne and the Lib Dems Calum Miller and Bobby Dean to get to the heart of the matter: there was nothing remotely normal about the US security strategy. It was all there in black and white. A threat to destabilise European democracies. Support for far-right nationalists. Withdrawal from Nato. Support for Russia. It was a moment of existential crisis for Europe. It was time to wake up. When the US president says this stuff, you had better believe him. Just choosing to ignore it all, hoping things will work out if you dont rock the boat was an abrogation of responsibility.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/11/asked-about-the-donalds-national-security-strategy-the-commons-was-remarkable-for-its-absences
The Labour leadership needs to find a backbone. They don't have to go the full "he's a corrupt, criminal, racist rapist"; just stand up for their own country, and for democracy and liberalism, in its widest sense. Labour backbenchers can do it. It's this cringing that enables Trump and his fellow democracy-haters.
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Secret longer version of US National Security Strategy calls for Core 5 countries to run the world [View all]
muriel_volestrangler
Wednesday
OP
"It reaffirms a withdrawal from Europe's defence, realignment with culturally aligned allies"
Miguelito Loveless
Wednesday
#2
Didn't these morons just say we had to get rid of all the brown people to
travelingthrulife
Thursday
#66
Italy and Hungary are financial drains on the EU. Will MAGA regime support them? It would cost more than Ukraine does.
ChicagoTeamster
Wednesday
#9
I think the inclusion of Poland and Austria points to Trump(ism) intending to interfere in their elections
muriel_volestrangler
Wednesday
#14
Most of the red states are a financial drain on the rest of the country
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
Thursday
#64
"Orban is aligned with Stephen Miller's values" might be more accurate
muriel_volestrangler
Wednesday
#21
I think you will find that it was written by a Russian, we just don't know the name.
Bev54
Wednesday
#36
This is close to what Seth Abramson wrote about during TSF's first term. Dividing up the world for the
wiggs
Wednesday
#22
I expect we may well see the EU along with UK and Australia, NZ and Canada and perhaps
Bev54
Wednesday
#38
Yes, it is white nationalism - full racism, and Great Replacement Theory stuff
muriel_volestrangler
Wednesday
#27
I think we'll manage to outlast Trump & the weird ideologues whispering in his ear. n/t
TubbersUK
Wednesday
#52
Got a link? I seriously doubt this, and you might want to read more about it.
ancianita
Wednesday
#44
You think that is good news for Japan? Perhaps they do not think they are close to bankruptcy
Bev54
Wednesday
#48
Just sayin' and linking why it's not "on the verge of bankruptcy," as you say. Given
ancianita
Thursday
#67
Oh no he didn't!!!!!!! Congress and the Senate aren't going to along with this one.
Ford_Prefect
Wednesday
#56
(Austria, Hungary, Italy and Poland) are...potential candidates for...pulling them 'away from the [European Union],'...
LudwigPastorius
Thursday
#62
Trump wants to destabilise European democracy. Where on earth is parliament?
muriel_volestrangler
Thursday
#70