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26. Well, I do accept the NRA's intransigence.

Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:13 AM

Jan 2013

It's has been obvious for a long time that they represent gun makers, not their paying members.

The AWB did prohibit >10 round magazines and it made them harder to get. Guns are machines. They don't last forever.
If military pattern rifles are prohibited--and I am not necessarily advocating that--there would be steadily fewer of them as time went on.

What regulating so-called private transfers will do is prohibit straw man sales to Mexican drug cartels. Whatever problem we have with gun violence here is insignificant compared to the gang wars in Mexico. The Mexican government has resorted to using the regular army to fight the cartels. They make the drugs there (and here), they sell them here, they buy guns at shows, and send them back to Mexico. This creates a demand for new guns even if the manufacturers do not directly sell to criminals.

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Thanks for posting! goclark Jan 2013 #1

Nice way to waste political capital on something that won't pass. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #2

Why you would rather he not try? humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #4

Just realize there are real political risks for trying NickB79 Jan 2013 #9

Oh stop already I have had enough of this humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #20

Nonsense. Sure NickB79 Jan 2013 #27

The electorate has changed and the Pukes can be hammered back MightyMopar Jan 2013 #77

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Biden and Obama would rather LOSE elections than not do the right thing for the people. Sunlei Jan 2013 #99

It's truly ironic how many "progressive" Democrats will sacrifice any rights to procure a little bit dexter sinister Jan 2013 #132

not true. I want my right to own a gun and have a carry permit. I want the assualt ban BACK NOW. Sunlei Jan 2013 #135

It's interesting how anti-gun people often preface their screed with "I'm a gun owner..." dexter sinister Jan 2013 #204

I'm not anti gun, I'm anti armed nutters. Sunlei Jan 2013 #206

As am I, but I'm not laboring under the delusion that more laws will change anything. dexter sinister Jan 2013 #207

I trust at least VP Biden will be able to get that expired law reinstated, he wrote that law! Sunlei Jan 2013 #209

IMHO sheshe2 Jan 2013 #7

Iraq John.Mekki Jan 2013 #14

Iraq was a war that the late great George W Bush (sarcasm here) started... sheshe2 Jan 2013 #32

I would not put all the blame on Republicans John.Mekki Jan 2013 #44

Really! Well I can Blame the repubs! Obama can't just walk away from F**K Fest That Bushco Stared. sheshe2 Jan 2013 #54

This administration sends drones out everyday that are killing families Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #52

daddy the terrorist should not live at home with his family. Sunlei Jan 2013 #210

I agree! Tumbulu Jan 2013 #17

Oh, yes it will tavalon Jan 2013 #73

republicans are the pros at 'wasting political capital' ie.birthercrap, obstruction,kissi lobby ass Sunlei Jan 2013 #98

National database!!!! Oh hell yeah! Make it damn hard to sell black market. flamin lib Jan 2013 #3

I want a severe ownership tax humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #5

What's progressive about that? Deep13 Jan 2013 #6

Well first off humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #22

You can't punish people for lawful conduct. Deep13 Jan 2013 #28

You aren't talking about poor you are talking about middleclass humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #33

No, I'm talking about the lower class which 60 or 70% of Americans are. Deep13 Jan 2013 #40

Excellent post obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #85

What about guns handed down through the generations? forthemiddle Jan 2013 #65

Oh really- so we cannot tax things Tumbulu Jan 2013 #34

We tax new packs of cigarettes, not pre-existing ones. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #37

Which leads us to the question.. John.Mekki Jan 2013 #46

What? Deep13 Jan 2013 #48

A tax on the ownership isn't necessarily ex post facto. flamin lib Jan 2013 #110

Not necessarily,... Deep13 Jan 2013 #201

What if the stated purpose is to fund gun related programs? Then it's not punitive. nt flamin lib Jan 2013 #202

Yes, I am with you on this Tumbulu Jan 2013 #31

Yes, humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #35

or an ammo tax Tumbulu Jan 2013 #18

True.... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #23

I love that idea! nt Tumbulu Jan 2013 #30

Unconstitutional as hell hack89 Jan 2013 #70

Ex post facto AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #177

No I meant de facto hack89 Jan 2013 #192

Interesting. You earlier said "defacto bans have always been found unconstitutional." AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #193

Poll taxes are the classic example hack89 Jan 2013 #194

ex defacto obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #88

Come on really... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #95

And who exactly will be going around to collect that 'user fee' from folks who make them at home? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #127

There already are taxes on ammo and powder and other supplies obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #87

Not nearly high enough humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #96

Do you have any idea of how easy it is to make bullets? tradecenter Jan 2013 #101

Yeah I know you gun nuts do that humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #111

hahah...chemistry isn't your forte' either, is it? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #128

I didn't say I made the bullets humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #130

The "powder" is far easier to make than the 'bullets'. Why do you think 'taxing the crap' dexter sinister Jan 2013 #134

Because making it more expensive humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #147

Then your tax will get overturned. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #150

There are milions of people who hate rich folks, but they buy lots of Powerball tickets, hoping to dexter sinister Jan 2013 #155

Why the name calling? tradecenter Jan 2013 #166

that lead gives you brain damage n/t Sunlei Jan 2013 #143

Only if you're stupid enough to melt the lead in an enclosed space without a respirator. tradecenter Jan 2013 #165

sounds like a fulltime job & I won't risk lead exposure. I go to the store and buy a box of bullets. Sunlei Jan 2013 #167

Not really. tradecenter Jan 2013 #170

I have no interest in reloading bullets. And no need for thousands of rounds. Sunlei Jan 2013 #171

No problem. tradecenter Jan 2013 #172

lol after a 24 hour shift, I'd rather sleep. Sunlei Jan 2013 #174

Oh I do sleep. tradecenter Jan 2013 #178

Yep the rightwing gun nuts are in force humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #173

And make words a thousand bucks each...dissidents won't be writing many. dexter sinister Jan 2013 #129

How would that have prevented the Sandy Hook massacre? Flatulo Jan 2013 #42

I would Britainize America... n/t humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #131

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You obviously found your way here from freeperville humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #153

Did you get your degree in remote diagnosis from the same place as Bill Frist? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #158

Yeah of course that's it humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #176

"rightwintard"???? What the hell are you, ten years old? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #203

Nope just calling it like it lies... humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #205

I have been the target of attempted insults by far brighter than you, my friend. dexter sinister Jan 2013 #208

The 1% appreciate your help in disarming the poor. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #69

Since it is mostly the poor humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #133

So, rural folks who hunt to literally live obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #84

every American without enough money can get food stamps. Sunlei Jan 2013 #169

How easy they are to get depends on where you are. JoeyT Jan 2013 #179

the second amendment isn't about hunting spangled Jan 2013 #185

Not quite that easy or simple. uppityperson Jan 2013 #186

The Gungeoneers & Gun-Nuts are idiots if they think the ATF and Govt dont already know who is Pachamama Jan 2013 #64

They're on the internet bragging about their guns, hell the Chinese government knows all about them MightyMopar Jan 2013 #139

They may have high caliber weapons, but not high caliber brains.... Pachamama Jan 2013 #190

This is bound to piss off billh58 Jan 2013 #8

That's what legislators thought in 1994 too NickB79 Jan 2013 #11

That's what I'm saying. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #12

You gonna vote right wing over your access to assault weapons? Sad Hoyt Jan 2013 #164

That, of course, is what some want. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2013 #39

I've been posting here since 2002 NickB79 Jan 2013 #53

I agree. We will pay in the midterms. Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #57

Don't forget health care reform and the fact that Dems didn't bother to vote. upaloopa Jan 2013 #80

Ohhh...you're the Black Knight from Monty Python! dexter sinister Jan 2013 #140

Yet why would it? primavera Jan 2013 #86

Some, not all, but many billh58 Jan 2013 #94

Do you ever wonder what happened? primavera Jan 2013 #106

Charlton Heston, billh58 Jan 2013 #108

Point taken primavera Jan 2013 #109

It depends on how they're defining "mentally ill". JoeyT Jan 2013 #180

No worries, I've got that one covered primavera Jan 2013 #196

The NRA could have helped control the agenda for meaningful reform... Deep13 Jan 2013 #10

A few thoughts Kennah Jan 2013 #19

Well, I do accept the NRA's intransigence. Deep13 Jan 2013 #26

There were 30 million LCMs (Large Capacity Magazines) in private hands in 2000 Kennah Jan 2013 #29

Making them more expensive is an impediment. Deep13 Jan 2013 #36

An impediment only to someone who isn't going to do anything bad Kennah Jan 2013 #51

Guns last a pretty long time RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #161

No, there really aren't. Deep13 Jan 2013 #175

The problem is RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #181

Nothing will change John.Mekki Jan 2013 #13

wishful thinking maybe- but no- the change is monumental Tumbulu Jan 2013 #15

Good idea John.Mekki Jan 2013 #24

Another gun troll billh58 Jan 2013 #100

If Illinois can't find the votes to pass strict gun control hack89 Jan 2013 #71

I will fight with all my strength to make this true tavalon Jan 2013 #74

Thank you Tumbulu Jan 2013 #102

Not this time. nt Deep13 Jan 2013 #49

Been saying from the moment it happened Cosmocat Jan 2013 #117

Liability insurance as a tax on the ammo perhaps Tumbulu Jan 2013 #16

House won't pass anything in the next 2 years Kennah Jan 2013 #21

Even the Senate will be an uphill battle. Dr_Scholl Jan 2013 #59

It will happen, somehow someway Tumbulu Jan 2013 #103

Oh I definitely agree the U.S. will in time pass more restrictive laws Kennah Jan 2013 #115

Hey, anyone is entitled to an occasional rat dream... dexter sinister Jan 2013 #138

K&R ReRe Jan 2013 #25

Guns, god, and gays sadbear Jan 2013 #38

Gun control is worth losing to the Republicans? Are you serious? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #62

It would only be short term... sadbear Jan 2013 #82

Strengthed mental health checks? Fuck you. 409 gun deaths since Sandy Hook and it's "normal" people Fire Walk With Me Jan 2013 #41

+100 nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #58

Ah, we're using the Underpants Gnomes approach now, huh? NickB79 Jan 2013 #43

I am mega happy that Mike Bloomberg is part of the conversation. #1 advocate for guns out of streets graham4anything Jan 2013 #45

Hope so. Deep13 Jan 2013 #50

I support a background check overthehillvet Jan 2013 #55

It takes a seed decades to grow into a majestic redwood. The seed is now planted. graham4anything Jan 2013 #56

Bloomie will be consigned to the ash heap of punditry, if he even makes it that far ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #67

A winner does what a loser doesn't graham4anything Jan 2013 #81

So its now "The ends justify the means" ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #83

people who like guns know the end is near. you are using strawmen and illogical NRA soundbytes graham4anything Jan 2013 #90

Nice strawmen and falsehood, but it won't save Bloomie from the ash heap ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #92

I don't speak in NRAtalk graham4anything Jan 2013 #93

No, you speak (and worship) Bloomie at a level I have never seen ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #112

and donated and will donate 100s of billions all to liberal causes graham4anything Jan 2013 #113

100's of billions...who is dreaming now? ProgressiveProfessor Jan 2013 #114

Well, that makes "stop and frisk" acceptable. beevul Jan 2013 #116

No, actually, it's called "legislating" primavera Jan 2013 #197

"track the movement and sale of weapons through a national database..." Jenoch Jan 2013 #47

Obama was elected to present and fight for ideas like this (cont) Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #60

^^^^This^^^^ tradecenter Jan 2013 #68

Yes, and, but. It's the same lack of empathy. Our inability, as a society, to be horrified Dems to Win Jan 2013 #184

What good will "strengthening mental health checks" do, area51 Jan 2013 #61

Its got to be all about care. napoleon_in_rags Jan 2013 #63

k&r Little Star Jan 2013 #66

Don't weigh it, just do it tavalon Jan 2013 #72

This is what governance has come to... thesquanderer Jan 2013 #75

Oh, sure, that will happen MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #76

a good start . . . DrDan Jan 2013 #78

None of this would have stopped the Newtown massacre or affected the weapon used. krispos42 Jan 2013 #79

Well said. nt LongHairedCountryBoy Jan 2013 #89

My idea would. Because no one in the street could have gotten a gun into the street with my idea graham4anything Jan 2013 #91

wow,excellent idea to develop policy that benefits the top retail gun sellers & bypass NRA lobbycrap Sunlei Jan 2013 #97

good clever approach- I agree nt Tumbulu Jan 2013 #104

I would like to volunteer for the gun confiscation committee. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #105

You'll be armed while on duty, I take it? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #107

You'll be quoting your Heston, I take it? Pholus Jan 2013 #118

He's not "my" Heston. And you didn't answer the question... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #124

Are you a native English speaker? Pholus Jan 2013 #137

You have a point- btw, will you be joining them on a confiscation squad? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #142

I don't do right wing paranoid fantasies. Pholus Jan 2013 #146

How many otherwise peaceful Americans are you willing to shoot to prevent gun violence? tward3 Jan 2013 #119

I am willing to PPR your ass. Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #120

Feel free to alert on any and all posters you deem unsuitable. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #125

Check the guy I responded to Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #145

Well done, but since you're here... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #148

First of all I didn't do anything, guy was another in the Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #152

Whether you'll be armed while doing the gun confiscations you volunteered for: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #160

Hyperbole Kingofalldems Jan 2013 #191

Some people are willing to volunteer others to perform that duty. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #121

Only two or three DUers, AFAIK, have offered to volunteer for the job. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #126

My cop brother is already doing this duty? Call him a chickenhawk MightyMopar Jan 2013 #149

But most will not. My statement stands. friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #154

asymetrical warfare? you think you could get that many idiots to fight the government? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #163

*I* couldn't, and have no desire to. The idiots, however... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #188

Maybe they can taser you MightyMopar Jan 2013 #141

"They"? Aren't *you* going to volunteer for the job? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #144

Hell yeah, I'll volunteer MightyMopar Jan 2013 #151

Well then, you have more strength of conviction than those... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #157

If i was you I wouldn't question other people conviction.Didn't you see those lines at polling place MightyMopar Jan 2013 #162

How many of them do you think will volunteer for combat? friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #189

Linebacker on the rifle team? Remmah2 Jan 2013 #198

Gun confiscation volunteers. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #199

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pssssst. Vanje Jan 2013 #123

ONE THING YOU'LL FIND ABOUT ACTUAL LIBERALS IS THAT THEY ARE MORE COURAGEOUS THAN CONSERVATIVES MightyMopar Jan 2013 #156

um RainbowOverTexas Jan 2013 #159

Viagra, Cialis, the usual. nt onehandle Jan 2013 #168

Viagra, Cialis, the usual. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #200

Go Bold, Mr President! Dems to Win Jan 2013 #182

Why the new Law? CT law already bans the weapon used. KeepinItReal4u Jan 2013 #183

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