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happyslug

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87. And Chevy is selling 10 Cruzes for every Volt.
Sun Jan 6, 2013, 02:41 AM
Jan 2013

You have to understand, for any car to be "profitable" not only the price to make the car exceeds the cost to build it, it must also pay for any overhead. High profit cars, like the Corvette, does this due to high profit margins, even if few are sold. On the other end, Cruzes are profitable due to the volume of Cruzes sold (Total profit exceeds even the profit from high profit models).

All of the Hybrids have a problem, they cost a lot to produce, more then even something like the Corvette, On the other hand, except for a small population, most people do NOT think the Hybrids are worth the higher price. This has been a problem even for the Prius. The key is how to spread the costs of the Hybrids over wider group of cars.

Honda, which actually marketed the first hybrids sold, did the spread, by converting one of their other conventional cars to Hybrids. Thus most of the cost of those Hondas were absorbed by the conventional cars (including the engine, but NOT the battery or electric drive). The problem with this solution was the conversion, while well done, was still a "patch" job, these Hondas lost luggage room and handling (The body were set for most of he weight of the car was in the front with the engine, with the conversion this shifted the weight to the rear where the batteries were).

Prius "solved" this problem by designing a whole new body. Toyota could NOT spread the cost of developing this body over any other cars in production. How did Toyota paid for this design? It seems to be direct Japanese Government Subsidy.

GM, did not want to make the mistake Honda did, nor could it get a subsidy from the government. Thus GM had to come up with a separate solution, and that was the Cruze.

The Volt and the Cruze were developed at the same time. The body was to be both GM's first true Hybrid AND the replacement for the Cobalt. Thus the cost of developing the body and frame could be spread over two cars, with most of the cost of development to be paid by sales of the Cruze.

The Cruze ended up using a 1.7 liter engine, except in its Eco Version, where the 1.4 liter engine of the Volt was used (Except the Volt's1.4 is NOT turbo-charged, while the Eco's is Turbocharged). The Eco uses the same tire and wheels of the Volt.

The Volt and Cruze, share the same body, the same power steering and powered brakes(Both electric assisted, like the Volt's power steering and brakes, unlike traditional Power Steering and Brakes which tend to be hydraulic assisted, something that is unworkable on a electric vehicle like the Volt).

Thus a lot of what was needed on the Volt was also used on the Cruze. Some exceptions, The tire and wheels on the Cruze (except the Eco) were conventional not super slick tires for maximum fuel economy. Some foreign (Australia) used hydraulic power steering in the first year of production of the Cruze.

Just a comment on the relationship between the Cruze and the Volt. They are closely related cousins, almost half siblings as opposed to traditional models of cars from the same maker. Thus my comments, and I also own a Cruze (Manual Eco, I get about 40 mpg). It has been very reliable. When I go into the city, my fuel economy goes to hell, but on the highway I get over 40 mp (and that is in the Mountains of Pennsylvania).

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Chevy Volt sales triple in 2012 [View all] Welcome_hubby Jan 2013 OP
This is great - the GOP hates GM and especically the Volt jpak Jan 2013 #1
Republican Bob Lutz's car, created during GWB's administration. eom TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #12
Obama's car - cuz he saved GM from Bush's Depression jpak Jan 2013 #17
Only a few years ago, GM got nothing but derision and insult on DU... Psephos Jan 2013 #88
I'm glad someone can afford them. Fuddnik Jan 2013 #2
Hasn't Prius come up with a plug in version at exboyfil Jan 2013 #7
The plug in Prius isn't feasible yet. Fuddnik Jan 2013 #15
Give it time, they will become cheaper than all ICE using cars; including hybrids. Ash_F Jan 2013 #8
That and new technology's pretty much always really expensive Posteritatis Jan 2013 #39
I hope you're right. I only wish I knew when. RickFromMN Jan 2013 #86
The comparable Prius Plug-in Hybrid is $32,000, gets only a $2,500 credit. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #9
I'd love to get a prius RedstDem Jan 2013 #10
Why do you want to crush a Prius? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #30
to improve it's looks RedstDem Jan 2013 #36
then just buy an old VW bug DBoon Jan 2013 #59
Only problem with that is RedstDem Jan 2013 #22
And why is that a bad thing? obamanut2012 Jan 2013 #31
my wife and I bought a used Prius in 2006. AlecBGreen Jan 2013 #34
wow that thing depreciated fast RedstDem Jan 2013 #35
eeep AlecBGreen Jan 2013 #42
Good. Ash_F Jan 2013 #3
Thats the point it out sold the Corvette.... Historic NY Jan 2013 #4
That's an interesting point. Robb Jan 2013 #5
Higher priced, not "overpriced" Corvette. bluedigger Jan 2013 #23
You will NEVER convince most here the value of horsepower DainBramaged Jan 2013 #49
WOOO, LOOK AT ME!!!! NickB79 Jan 2013 #52
You'll never understand, to you it's terror to us, well, not worth my time.... DainBramaged Jan 2013 #61
I understand the world we're leaving for my 3-yr old girl NickB79 Jan 2013 #65
Hey, DB! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #89
Government Motors Rain Mcloud Jan 2013 #6
The car spearheaded by Republican Bob Lutz during the GWB presidency... is an Obama car? TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #11
Great news. The more hybrids and plug ins on the road, the better. n/t D23MIURG23 Jan 2013 #13
I think it you look Tom Jeff Jan 2013 #14
It is true that the federal government is buying some Volts James48 Jan 2013 #16
Where Tom Jeff Jan 2013 #19
I guess you weren't here long enough for me to 'edumacate' you DainBramaged Jan 2013 #50
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense Fumesucker Jan 2013 #83
My area, LOTS of natural gas powered generators DainBramaged Jan 2013 #85
Considering that each Volt gets a $7,500 federal tax credit/subsidy PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #21
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #24
The government props up all car companies in one way or another arcane1 Jan 2013 #27
Not to mention the huge military expenditures Jackpine Radical Jan 2013 #58
Viva Obama! Savior of GM and the Volt jpak Jan 2013 #18
Welcome to DU, and please cite a source Welcome_hubby Jan 2013 #41
Enjoy your short stay. Odin2005 Jan 2013 #79
I *LOVE* my Volt Archaic Jan 2013 #20
I love your Volt too!!! RedstDem Jan 2013 #28
I'd been waiting for the next big leap in tech. Archaic Jan 2013 #32
The Spark EV is coming end of this year........UNDER $25K with Incentives DainBramaged Jan 2013 #51
It's a Korean import? NickB79 Jan 2013 #53
No room to assemble them here. lines are at capacity DainBramaged Jan 2013 #62
Repubes hate the Volt The Wizard Jan 2013 #25
Why don't people consider the Tesla Model S, that is supposed to have a 300 mile range? dpbrown Jan 2013 #26
I believe it's the price freethought Jan 2013 #46
FISKER is not a viable alternative DainBramaged Jan 2013 #54
Why or why not? n/t freethought Jan 2013 #69
You realize they shuttered the Delaware plant for lack of financing? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #74
Fisker is not Tesla. joshcryer Jan 2013 #76
I was about to post the same thing freethought Jan 2013 #77
They have 20k reservations and churn out 400 cars a week. joshcryer Jan 2013 #81
It's a luxury model. Tesla's 3rd or 4th gen models will be more mainstream. joshcryer Jan 2013 #75
Short Circuit, my apologies, I swapped Fisker for Tesla DainBramaged Jan 2013 #78
Fair enough, thanks for the correction. joshcryer Jan 2013 #82
kick samsingh Jan 2013 #29
I occasionally walk the dogs through the Chevy lot up the street in the early morning hours IDemo Jan 2013 #33
dont go near the full sized pickup's RedstDem Jan 2013 #37
Oh, I've checked them out as well, and you're right! IDemo Jan 2013 #38
EVERY manufacturer's crew cab full size pickup can approach $60K DainBramaged Jan 2013 #64
response to this from a right wing dumbass LW1977 Jan 2013 #40
Rightwing dumbasses do suck jpak Jan 2013 #44
I'm mistified over the right wing hate for a perfectly fine flagship vehicle RedstDem Jan 2013 #45
19th Century Fox tears the Volt every chance it can Joe Bacon Jan 2013 #47
19th century fox..lol RedstDem Jan 2013 #48
These same dealers refused to buy ZR1 and ZL1 tools so they don't sell excitement DainBramaged Jan 2013 #55
Great but I wish that I could afford one Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #43
Chevy had a $299 lease last fall, $1999 + tax and tags, 12000 a year for 3 years DainBramaged Jan 2013 #57
can't afford that on teacher's pay Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2013 #72
BUT BUT you're SUPPOSSED to be RICH? DainBramaged Jan 2013 #73
Electric cars are great. True Freedom! rightsideout Jan 2013 #56
I have a poor mans Volt, a Chevy Cruze, so far it has been a great car n/t doc03 Jan 2013 #60
The E-Assist version is coming this year (electric assist, stop/start) DainBramaged Jan 2013 #63
I kind of wish I would have held out buying for a while and got the doc03 Jan 2013 #66
I agree, both wonderful cars, HARD TO FIND DainBramaged Jan 2013 #67
Cadillac is getting version of the Volt that should be quite profitable MightyMopar Jan 2013 #68
What's interesting is Cadillac was originally picked to sell the Volt rightsideout Jan 2013 #70
And Chevy is selling 10 Cruzes for every Volt. happyslug Jan 2013 #87
Volts are also quick. We drag raced these two stock Volts in April 2011. 16 seconds in the 1/4 mile rightsideout Jan 2013 #71
I'm glad that Volt sales are increasing billbailey19448jj Jan 2013 #80
Welcome to DU. Are you Bill Bailey the musician? I like your music. uppityperson Jan 2013 #84
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