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cab67

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57. I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but....
Thu Dec 18, 2025, 03:01 PM
Dec 18

One sees contrarians across Academia. These are people who really like the attention they get by adopting a point of view that's at odds with the consensus.

Contrarians are different from crackpots and denialists. Crackpots and denialists actually believe what they say. Contrarians often don't. Or they don't care, at any rate. It's about the attention. If the consensus moves in another direction, they'll switch and adopt the position the consensus just abandoned.

Obviously, contrarians can sometimes make money by writing books or going on the lecture circuit. They might also show up as cable news talking heads. These presumably help cement a contrarian's standpoint, but it's the attention that matters. "Look at me! I'm controversial!"

That said - this stuff about a third term is plainly contrary not only to the consensus among Constitutional law scholars, but to the Constitution itself. There's no gray area. Anyone with the basic ability to read and write can see this.

I'm beginning to wonder if there's more than just contrarianism going on with him. Is it money? A desire to be close to power? Something organic? Has he switched columns from "contrarian" to "quack?" I don't know.

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In my own field, there was a small community of academics in the 1980's through early oughts we sometimes called the "Flat Earth Society." These were people who could not accept that birds are living theropod dinosaurs. They called themselves the BAND (Birds Are Not Dinosaurs).

The evidence that birds are dinosaurs is as conclusive as that showing human beings are mammals, and it hasn't been treated as controversial since around 1990, but these few dug in their heels. New evidence would be dismissed or explained away with increasingly convoluted and decreasingly parsimonious arguments, some of which crumbled when more evidence came up. When the first non-bird dinosaur with evidence for feathers was found in the mid 1990's, they argued that the feathers (which were short fibers resembling fur or down) were actually internal collagenous fibers that were exposed as the animal decayed. But then they found a non-bird theropod with actual vaned feathers - not short fuzz, but actual feathers with a rachis and barbs. The explanation? A bird had died, and then a dead dinosaur had fallen on top of it. That lasted until they found several more of the feathered non-birds. Eventually, they began to claim that these animals - animals they'd sworn up and down couldn't be related to birds - were, in fact, birds that had evolved to look just like non-bird dinosaurs.

Most BAND members were crackpots. They were true believers. But there was one whose opinions were so bizarre that we wondered if his motivations were different. He would make claims that anyone with a single class in comparative anatomy could see were silly. I once moderated a session at a professional meeting, and he was the last speaker. His words were being contradicted by his own slides. The other moderator and I sometimes glanced at each other with a look of dismay; I mean, was this dude really saying what we thought he'd said? Why didn't he just turn around and look at the bloody pictures behind him? The ones he'd set up for his talk? Did his students consider an intervention? It was madness.

Some of us suggested that people studying bird origins should spend a few months claiming that they were wrong all the time, and that birds are related to extinct crocodile relatives or some other extinct reptile, but not dinosaurs. Most of the BANDers would throw a massive "I Told You So!" party, but that one outlier would probably start insisting that birds must be dinosaurs.

This type of contrarianism, at least, was harmless. What Dershowitz sometimes does is not.

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"He found it interesting as an intellectual issue," Lochloosa Dec 18 #1
How did Dershowitz ever pass law school, or the bar maxrandb Dec 18 #65
Rule of law and US constitution are just quaint relics of a bygone era. Irish_Dem Dec 18 #2
Partners in crime................ Lovie777 Dec 18 #3
Trump's health is so bad, he will not complete this term. A third term would be his rotting corpse. QueerDuck Dec 18 #4
And 1/3 of the country would vote for it. The Madcap Dec 18 #15
Many of his supporters are rotting corpses durablend Dec 18 #25
...or will be soon due to his policies mpcamb Dec 18 #66
I guess we need another amendment that specifically says, no Donald you can't Walleye Dec 18 #5
The 22nd Amendment, in its entirety... jmowreader Dec 18 #6
Seems clear to me. No ambiguities. QueerDuck Dec 18 #19
It's certainly clear, cloudbase Dec 18 #22
That stood out to me, too... slightlv Dec 18 #68
It says what the Gang of Six on the Supreme Court say it says. LudwigPastorius Dec 19 #72
No ambiguities with regard to election Shrek Dec 18 #23
This is basically how Putin overcame the clear Russian Fed term limits Prairie Gates Dec 18 #34
The constitutional requirements for VP are the same as for President Polybius Dec 18 #69
Possible wiggle room SomedayKindaLove Dec 18 #39
Ha, ha, I like 2) PatSeg Dec 18 #45
I'm not seeing the "this amendment does not apply to anyone named Donald Trump" part. Ray Bruns Dec 18 #24
The 22nd Amendment clearly explains why LBJ could have run for a third term in 1968 FakeNoose Dec 18 #27
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice" Wiz Imp Dec 18 #55
That final sentence... GiqueCee Dec 18 #61
What's so "unclear"? no_hypocrisy Dec 20 #78
You mean the Dershowitz who was raping girls with Epstein? UpInArms Dec 18 #7
he's an evil co-conspirator and needs to be in jail. He makes me want to puke LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #17
Hey now PatSeg Dec 18 #46
+ struggle4progress Dec 18 #67
Dershowitz--enough said hlthe2b Dec 18 #8
The Constitution is only unclear because you want a NAZI regime without a Constitution. Bengus81 Dec 18 #9
"Lawyer" should be disbarred. live love laugh Dec 18 #10
Rare would be the day a president is elected three times bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #11
This is where Alan Dershowitz works BootinUp Dec 18 #12
IN A RELATED STORY: Chasstev365 Dec 18 #13
Donny has Dersh. Dersh did dirty deeds in his tighty whiteys. johnnyfins Dec 18 #14
I will help... Escape Dec 18 #16
If tsf does try it BlueKota Dec 18 #20
what a disgusting thing to focus your energy on and it's not "unclear" at all LymphocyteLover Dec 18 #18
Martha's Vineyard pierogi vendor cites Dershowitz's Epstein ties for refusal of service turbinetree Dec 18 #21
No, I don't think he will run for a third term." So why are you talking him into it? JohnnyRingo Dec 18 #26
The Pukes created the 22nd Amendment in response to FDR getting elected 4 times. Eat Shit, Pukes! NBachers Dec 18 #28
Demented child rapist tells demented child rapist dalton99a Dec 18 #29
Dershowitz is Epstein's BFF Kid Berwyn Dec 18 #30
Trump is going to read a book?? rurallib Dec 18 #31
OBAMA 2028!!! Oliver Bolliver Butt Dec 18 #32
GREAT answer. Can you imagine THOSE debates? Callie1979 Dec 18 #33
22nd Amendment is pretty clear. Historic NY Dec 18 #35
No, I don't think he will run for a third term. ... aggiesal Dec 18 #36
A Lawyer?????? LPBBEAR Dec 18 #37
It's interesting that a cluster of Epstein child rapists mzmolly Dec 18 #38
It's only unclear dweller Dec 18 #40
Dershowitz is a total fraud and creepy as hell. Fuck him. Borogove Dec 18 #41
I agree Skittles Dec 18 #71
Just so we're all clear, there is indeed a loophole and they absolutely would use it. unblock Dec 18 #42
The ways around the 22nd Amendment are not practical in the real world LetMyPeopleVote Dec 18 #43
Given his rapidly putrefying state, Hassler Dec 18 #44
JD (Jock itch Divan diver) Vance could be a puppet President with Trump as the Veep. GreenWave Dec 18 #47
The last guy I would be taking legal moniss Dec 18 #48
If he doesn't leave tonekat Dec 18 #49
He can do as Napoleon did, and have himself declared Emperor. No election necessary. eppur_se_muova Dec 18 #50
I think the plan would be to run for vide-president and then have the president resign in favor of Trump Xipe Totec Dec 18 #56
Get a copy of the US Constitution, Alan, and READ IT! ProudMNDemocrat Dec 18 #51
Lost me at JBTaurus83 Dec 18 #52
Oh yeah? OMGWTF Dec 18 #53
Imagine having an intelligent, compassionate Ilsa Dec 18 #54
I believe Dershowitz is, first and foremost, a contrarian, but.... cab67 Dec 18 #57
I don't think so SamuelTheThird Dec 18 #60
His contrarianism long predates any revelations about Epstein. cab67 Dec 18 #63
I'm really surprised he's lived this long. lpbk2713 Dec 18 #58
Dershowitz... GiqueCee Dec 18 #59
"Lawyer" MorbidButterflyTat Dec 18 #62
If Trump runs for a third term, we nominate Obama to run against him.. mjvpi Dec 18 #64
I'd been advocating for the repeal of the 22nd since I was 19 in the 90's Polybius Dec 18 #70
But arguably it probably prevented a 3rd Reagan term Shrek Dec 19 #73
I'm ok with that, since a Republican was elected anyway Polybius Dec 19 #75
Even if that holds up, you'd still have to be alive to run for office Iris Dec 19 #74
Alan Underwearshitz dweller Dec 19 #76
Cool.....let's run Obama again! OAITW r.2.0 Dec 19 #77
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