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Ms. Toad

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40. It is not just AI needs to be destroyed - but the insertion of third party judgment (of any kind)
Fri Dec 26, 2025, 05:21 PM
10 hrs ago

into the doctor patient relationship under original Medicare.

The Medicare program is designed to permit doctors to exercise their judgment, in consultation with their patients, for when covered procedures are required.

The solution - if a particular procedure should be excluded from Medicare - is to eliminate it as a covered procedure. Not to insert a third party speed bump in to the process.

One of these procedures is one I needed before I enrolled in Medicare. It was needed in connection with a very aggressive cancer. Had approval been required, it would have been denied. (I was under standard insurance at the time - and it was denied after the fact). Had the surgery been delayed while waiting for prior authorization, denial, and an appeal, the cancer (at that point doubling in 2-3 weeks) would likely have metastasized and I would be living with metastatic lung cancer or dead. And, yes, I'm in one of the states hit by this.

It is a travesty. Fortunately, it is only a few states and a few procedures. But it is the nose under the camel's tent to require prior authorization for procedures which are covered procedures under Medicare.

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They really went after nerves. Is salvation through pain part of the plan? bucolic_frolic 13 hrs ago #1
Steroid injections have kept me ok on my feet redstatebluegirl 13 hrs ago #3
Me too. mgardener 13 hrs ago #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Trueblue Texan 12 hrs ago #11
I just got a shot in my shoulder LittleGirl 12 hrs ago #12
That should still be okay. Igel 12 hrs ago #17
Right? LittleGirl 10 hrs ago #41
Exactly. SergeStorms 10 hrs ago #42
Had that one too Bayard 4 hrs ago #59
Same here Bayard 4 hrs ago #58
That's what made Mother Theresa druidity33 12 hrs ago #21
How about a pilot program Henry203 13 hrs ago #2
Medicare Advantage is already set up to be able to deny claims for things that Medicare would automatically cover. thesquanderer 12 hrs ago #8
Advantage plans are private insurance, and they should be banned from using " Medicare" in their name. OMGWTF 12 hrs ago #18
I agree. Unless maybe they more honestly called it something like "Medicare Alternative" or "Medicare Private Option." thesquanderer 11 hrs ago #25
Alternative Medical Services. cstanleytech 5 hrs ago #57
They are literally Medicare plans, Authorized under the Medicare Part C statutes Ms. Toad 11 hrs ago #31
The person you're replying to said Advantage plans should not have been allowed as Medicare plans. pnwmom 3 min ago #63
Ban "Medicare" from their name ENTIRELY Seinan Sensei 11 hrs ago #34
huh? Skittles 7 hrs ago #54
I should have said upcoding Henry203 7 hrs ago #55
AI prior authorization approval is already a relatively common practice anciano 13 hrs ago #5
And it needs legislatively banned. benfranklin1776 11 hrs ago #27
Not just the Ai part of it, but the outside authorization mahina 11 hrs ago #32
Agreed! benfranklin1776 4 hrs ago #60
But one of the main reasons to choose standard Medicare over a Medicare Advantage plan is to minimize a third party Ms. Toad 10 hrs ago #38
"Healthcare" is an umbrella term that encompasses anciano 10 hrs ago #39
Healthcare is distinct from how that care is paid for. Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #44
So? People pay MORE to join Traditional Medicare so that they can choose their own doctors pnwmom 8 hrs ago #48
No LtTx 7 hrs ago #53
Yes, they do, in order to get Parts A and B, which covers both hospitalization pnwmom 7 hrs ago #56
And yet the govt is clamping down on prior authorization in Advantage plans pnwmom 57 sec ago #64
Brought to you by the same people who believe in ivermectin for covid Raven123 13 hrs ago #6
i've had the cellular. tissue application for foot wounds that would not heal rampartd 12 hrs ago #7
neck surgeries, knee surgeries, incontinence control, pain relief -- how very cruel, how very predictable 0rganism 12 hrs ago #9
So delay and deny are what's in store for our Buddyzbuddy 12 hrs ago #10
We have to move to Medicare for all and cover everything. ChicagoTeamster 12 hrs ago #13
Our doc told us pre-approval is needed for what was our usual blood test AverageOldGuy 12 hrs ago #14
If you are no standard medicare, your doctor is wrong. Ms. Toad 10 hrs ago #36
Under an Advantage plan with an HMO dickthegrouch 12 hrs ago #15
But this experiment is being done with Traditional Medicare patients, which doesn't require prior authorization. pnwmom 8 hrs ago #49
Companies running this make money with every denied claim groundloop 12 hrs ago #16
Death by spreadsheet OMGWTF 12 hrs ago #20
Private insurance companies don't run traditional Medicare. ShazzieB 11 hrs ago #22
AI "death panels"..... SergeStorms 10 hrs ago #43
The whole reason Iʻm paying extra for supplemental ins is to keep the imperfect gem, traditional medicare, where mahina 12 hrs ago #19
"Just reading our DUers here and the impacts this would make to their lives is powerful." BumRushDaShow 11 hrs ago #24
This part caught my eye. ShazzieB 11 hrs ago #23
Amen 💪🏼 benfranklin1776 11 hrs ago #28
Don't You Mean OhioTim 9 hrs ago #46
I know what you mean, but I prefer not to think in those terms. ShazzieB 3 hrs ago #61
Doesn't sound reasonable or even rational Joinfortmill 11 hrs ago #26
Does one need advanced approval to die? milestogo 11 hrs ago #29
That's next... 2naSalit 8 hrs ago #50
So they're creating those death panels that Sarah Palin warned us about WestMichRad 11 hrs ago #30
Trump Qualifies For One OhioTim 11 hrs ago #33
two actually - do his diapers require prior approval? RainCaster 1 hr ago #62
Deep brain stimulation for the treatment of essential tremor progressoid 10 hrs ago #35
At best, it will delay treatment. Treatment delayed is treatment denied. SunSeeker 10 hrs ago #37
It is not just AI needs to be destroyed - but the insertion of third party judgment (of any kind) Ms. Toad 10 hrs ago #40
I expect this is being pilot-tested to eventually become a permanent change (with more procedures needing prepproval) BumRushDaShow 9 hrs ago #45
I agree. Ms. Toad 9 hrs ago #47
I know for those of us feds who planned to maintain their FEHB insurance plans when Medicare-eligible BumRushDaShow 7 hrs ago #51
The U.S. is the only modern nation without a universal tax supported health care system for all their citizens. It makes ShazamIam 7 hrs ago #52
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