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In reply to the discussion: New Medicare Program: Full List of Services That Will Need Prior Approval [View all]thesquanderer
(12,906 posts)77. Medicare Advantage can require pre-authorizations not required for Medicare/Medigap,
Last edited Sun Dec 28, 2025, 08:17 AM - Edit history (1)
which also means more opportunity for coverage to be delayed or denied. That's another difference between MA and Medigap besides what you mentioned. (And the fact that Medicare is introducing that concept in a potential "camel's nose under the tent" scenario is what makes the headline of this topic worrying.)
But yes, as you were basically saying, the bigger (and more consistent) selection of providers is one of the Medicare/Medigap advantages, and trading that away for other things (like lower premium) is not necessarily unjustifiable, as long as you go in with your eyes open, as it sounds like you have. Though also...
I am very sick and tired of people who are all gung-ho about pushing those of us on Medicare Advantage onto far more expensive Medigap (aka Medicare Supplement) plans. A lot of us cannot afford that, understand? The premiums are way more. If you have chronic conditions and need certain doctors, by all means pick Medigap. A lot of us DON'T.
Medigap plans don't have to be especially expensive... mine is $60-ish a month... but the tradeoff is an annual deductible of about $3k. But similar to where you talked about "If you have chronic conditions and need certain doctors...", a high deductible Medigap is, in that respect, kind of similar to your MA scenario... it's something you're more likely to consider if you're in good health, no chronic conditions, no expectation of needing a lot of specialized care, etc. The tricky thing is, some day you probably will have more extensive health care needs, and you won't see it coming, so it's always a gamble. (Though you can also switch from a high deductible Medigap plan to a higher premium low deductible one.)
I don't begrudge people who select MA because it saves them money. Like pretty much everything else in America, the better options cost more, and if you're in a tight financial position, a lesser option is better than no option. You're willing to trade-off the better provider network and put up with a greater possibility of fights over coverage, etc., to get the cost savings. Everyone's situation is different, and you made the decision that was right for you. But one thing that bugs me about MA is that it is marketed as being a better plan for less money, when in reality, it is (unsurprisingly) a lesser plan for less money. (Lesser in choice of doctors, assurance of coverage, administrative hassle potential when it comes to coverage/billing, etc... similar to the compromises of an HMO, to repeat your analogy.)
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New Medicare Program: Full List of Services That Will Need Prior Approval [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Dec 26
OP
I get steroid shots in my scaphoid joint for arthritis. The list specifies that steroid shots in joints are not included
Martin68
Dec 27
#70
Medicare Advantage is already set up to be able to deny claims for things that Medicare would automatically cover.
thesquanderer
Dec 26
#8
Advantage plans are private insurance, and they should be banned from using " Medicare" in their name.
OMGWTF
Dec 26
#18
I agree. Unless maybe they more honestly called it something like "Medicare Alternative" or "Medicare Private Option."
thesquanderer
Dec 26
#25
They are literally Medicare plans, Authorized under the Medicare Part C statutes
Ms. Toad
Dec 26
#31
The person you're replying to said Advantage plans should not have been allowed as Medicare plans.
pnwmom
Dec 27
#63
Medicare Advantage plans are PPO/HMOs, just like regular private company insurance carriers. Medigap is fee-for-service.
valleyrogue
Dec 27
#75
Medicare Advantage can require pre-authorizations not required for Medicare/Medigap,
thesquanderer
Dec 27
#77
But one of the main reasons to choose standard Medicare over a Medicare Advantage plan is to minimize a third party
Ms. Toad
Dec 26
#38
So? People pay MORE to join Traditional Medicare so that they can choose their own doctors
pnwmom
Dec 26
#48
Buying a supplemental plan in addition to A & B costs more in general than Disadvantage plans.
pnwmom
Jan 4
#82
neck surgeries, knee surgeries, incontinence control, pain relief -- how very cruel, how very predictable
0rganism
Dec 26
#9
But this experiment is being done with Traditional Medicare patients, which doesn't require prior authorization.
pnwmom
Dec 26
#49
But private companies WILL provide the AI services performing prior authorizations for Traditional Medicare.
pnwmom
Dec 27
#66
The whole reason Iʻm paying extra for supplemental ins is to keep the imperfect gem, traditional medicare, where
mahina
Dec 26
#19
"Just reading our DUers here and the impacts this would make to their lives is powerful."
BumRushDaShow
Dec 26
#24
It is not just AI needs to be destroyed - but the insertion of third party judgment (of any kind)
Ms. Toad
Dec 26
#40
I expect this is being pilot-tested to eventually become a permanent change (with more procedures needing prepproval)
BumRushDaShow
Dec 26
#45
I know for those of us feds who planned to maintain their FEHB insurance plans when Medicare-eligible
BumRushDaShow
Dec 26
#51
When I had a cancer diagnosis, I was in surgery 2 days after getting the diagnosis,
pnwmom
Dec 27
#65
That's the general basis for my personal concern with the skin and tissue substitutes
Ms. Toad
Dec 27
#68