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In reply to the discussion: Maduro, family and Venezuelan officials face 'narco-terrorism' grand jury indictment. Here are the charges [View all]ancianita
(42,862 posts)19. Good and reasonable question re fentanyl. But more often the felon broadly mixed it up, saying it was about drugs.
from a PBS factcheck article...
Trump said the boats were carrying fentanyl during the Oct. 15 press conference.
"And you can see it, the boats get hit, and you see that fentanyl all over the ocean," Trump said. "It's like floating in bags. It's all over the place."
He has shared aerial videos of some of the boat strikes on Truth Social, and no bags of drugs are visible in the videos.
Additionally, most illicit fentanyl in the U.S. comes from Mexico, not Venezuela. It enters the U.S. mainly through the southern border at official ports of entry, and it's smuggled in mostly by U.S. citizens, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission.
"And you can see it, the boats get hit, and you see that fentanyl all over the ocean," Trump said. "It's like floating in bags. It's all over the place."
He has shared aerial videos of some of the boat strikes on Truth Social, and no bags of drugs are visible in the videos.
Additionally, most illicit fentanyl in the U.S. comes from Mexico, not Venezuela. It enters the U.S. mainly through the southern border at official ports of entry, and it's smuggled in mostly by U.S. citizens, according to the U.S. Sentencing Commission.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-trumps-claim-that-each-boat-strike-off-venezuelas-coast-saves-25000-lives
Good New Yorker article on the real reason...
...In August, however, the hard-liners began to win out, according to someone with knowledge of the Administrations internal deliberations. The shift seemed to mark a victory for Rubio. But the change didnt reflect Rubios influence so much as the involvement of a new player in the policy fight: Stephen Miller, the Presidents deputy chief of staff and the head of the White House Homeland Security Council. Miller sided with Rubio not because of regime change, the source told me. Rather, it was because Venezuela presented an outlet for the belief that the President can just kill these guys as part of an open-ended war on drugs and crime. Stephen is a lot of the energy behind the bombings, the source said. He is owning the Western Hemisphere portfolio: immigration, security issues, and going after the cartels. He convenes working groups almost every day. Hes been very top-down with the Department of Defense about what he wants to see. Hegseths team just says yes. They dont push back. Miller got told no for similar stuff in the first term. He doesnt have people there to say No, this isnt a good idea anymore.
For Miller, the military strikes help expand the Presidents power, while also reinforcing the narrative of Venezuelan immigrants as alien enemies. As a former Trump Administration official put it, this just feels like the militarization of domestic policy. How do you stay in power? You create an other. You say that were under attack. You create a casus belli. You blame the other for everything. This is happening while you have the deployment of National Guardsmen to cities. Youre getting people used to these kinds of actions. This is expanding the definition of the use of force.
The implications of Trumps use of the military, the former White House official said, are not lost on other Latin American countries, either. If youre Panama, you think this is about you. If youre Colombia, you think its about you, he told me. You prove to the Mexicans that youll do what you say. The Brazilians thought this was about them. If you think its a signal, it is a signal.....
For Miller, the military strikes help expand the Presidents power, while also reinforcing the narrative of Venezuelan immigrants as alien enemies. As a former Trump Administration official put it, this just feels like the militarization of domestic policy. How do you stay in power? You create an other. You say that were under attack. You create a casus belli. You blame the other for everything. This is happening while you have the deployment of National Guardsmen to cities. Youre getting people used to these kinds of actions. This is expanding the definition of the use of force.
The implications of Trumps use of the military, the former White House official said, are not lost on other Latin American countries, either. If youre Panama, you think this is about you. If youre Colombia, you think its about you, he told me. You prove to the Mexicans that youll do what you say. The Brazilians thought this was about them. If you think its a signal, it is a signal.....
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-real-target-of-trumps-war-on-drug-boats
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Maduro, family and Venezuelan officials face 'narco-terrorism' grand jury indictment. Here are the charges [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Saturday
OP
A juror could reasonably have a 'reasonable doubt' just because it's Trump et al
Jack Valentino
Saturday
#24
There was an article back in 2019 about his handling of the Mueller report
BumRushDaShow
Saturday
#21
Thanks. These days, justifications, however flimsy, are made as deterrents to any of this ever seeing a courtroom
ancianita
Saturday
#22
That would mean Maduro has to have enough funds on him for those kinds of legal moves. He doesn't. But the felon did.
ancianita
Saturday
#17
If he's REALLY some kind of 'major drug kingpin', wouldn't he have some third-country bank accounts
Jack Valentino
Saturday
#25
LOL ... like his federal public defender would run cash interference for him? Cute. You have to know this is about
ancianita
Saturday
#27
Quite possibly you are smarter than me. You are obviously much better at 'word salad'.
Jack Valentino
Saturday
#29
Okay. I understand we have different exposures to stuff. Sorry for the "you have to know." I didn't intend to patronize,
ancianita
Saturday
#31
I think the question is, how much will Maduro have to give Trump for the pardon?
LiberalArkie
Saturday
#9
Good and reasonable question re fentanyl. But more often the felon broadly mixed it up, saying it was about drugs.
ancianita
Saturday
#19
"They have no intention of this ever going to court. That's why Trump moved it to New York. He wants to blame Mamdani"
BumRushDaShow
Sunday
#35
"Narco-terrorism" is the latest in the grab words R's use to give their favorite media (Fox) something to hold onto.
ificandream
Sunday
#41
Won't we have to prove Maduro was shipping drugs here and killing Americans?
JohnnyRingo
Saturday
#28
Yep. Which is why the chances of him being convicted on those charges is extremely small.
Wiz Imp
Saturday
#30
Bullshit. Trump just freed two narcoterrorists. I hope the defense uses this in the trial.
travelingthrulife
Sunday
#37