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LogDog75

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80. I think Senator Kelly will win this battle

Mon Jan 5, 2026, 03:21 PM

Jan 2026

The question I have is Was there any due process giving Senator Kelly a chance to present evidence to to challenge Hegseth's actions? Under the UCMJ, any person facing an Article 15 or Courts Martial has the right to a public hearing, right to counsel, the right to present evidence, the right to challenge the charges, the right to question their accusers or witnesses, etc... None of these have happened.

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Pentagon cuts Sen. Mark Kelly's military retirement pay as punishment over 'illegal orders' video By Zachary Cohen 4 MI [View all] LiberalArkie Jan 2026 OP

The "We can do anything you can't stop us from doing" clause. Turbineguy Jan 2026 #1

Yes, because as spoiled children they never learned about rules. Were all our leaders the "Golden Child" growing up? LiberalArkie Jan 2026 #3

Sue their arses off NotHardly Jan 2026 #47

Can any court stop it? Until it reaches the supreme, that is question everything Jan 2026 #2

What is this thing called "Court"? LiberalArkie Jan 2026 #5

Any Federal court can halt this pending an appeal by Sen. Kelly, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #6

Thanks. I also think that he has a pension as an astronaut, no? question everything Jan 2026 #7

I'm not sure about that, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #8

And since the amount of the pensin soldierant Jan 6 #113

If he was active duty while an astronaut it should be part of his Navy pension. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #12

CAPT Kelly was a military officer detailed to NASA. He was never a NASA employee in the civil service. This action is 24601 Jan 6 #117

The most deserved grade reduction I ever heard about COL Mustard Jan 2026 #22

Plus, as a Senator, he has at least a couple layers of immunity. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2026 #26

His name is James Grazioplene jmowreader Jan 2026 #51

Yes, that's the one COL Mustard Jan 2026 #68

I never had the displeasure of dealing with him, probably because he was a tanker... jmowreader Jan 2026 #72

When were you at FSB? A good friend of mine was there in the early 1970s. COL Mustard Jan 2026 #82

Veterans Day 1986 to April 1992 jmowreader Jan 2026 #88

That would have been a fantastic time to be there! COL Mustard Jan 2026 #96

Wonder which court would take this lawsuit? bluestarone Jan 2026 #65

Or, maybe you know, could it be: MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #69

It will go where's it's filed by. Most likely DC. No reason it shouldn't be DC Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2026 #110

didn;t this need a court martial or at least art 15? rampartd Jan 2026 #97

Thank you orangecrush Jan 2026 #102

Yeah, that will be a law suit the Pentagon won't win. Plus just looks petty which is the Trump admin to a tee. dutch777 Jan 2026 #4

Once again... ScratchCat Jan 2026 #9

100% vapor2 Jan 2026 #35

Seriously!!! yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #71

Kelly serves on the Armed Services Committee, and the Select Committee on Intelligence... Grins Jan 2026 #10

As the reputation of the US Military takes a hit. ... littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #11

Show me the charging documents. Grins Jan 2026 #13

How well versed are you on the UCMJ? Officers resign commision, they aren't discharged (honorably). marble falls Jan 2026 #41

The military will start to turn against Trump. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #14

So far, the military have been Diddling Donny's patsies. Safe as Milk Jan 2026 #45

I know, the military is up his ass now. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #58

That would be great, if they did. yellow dahlia Jan 2026 #73

Right now they are up Trump's ass. Irish_Dem Jan 2026 #76

kellly should sue kegsbreath personally moonshinegnomie Jan 2026 #15

These nasty bastards will continue until the American voters stop them. walkingman Jan 2026 #16

Yeah, well.. whathehell Jan 2026 #46

What about the other Senators who made the same statement? Were they not all military veterans? Midnight Writer Jan 2026 #17

The other lawmakers either never retired from service or come from intelligence agencies outside the UCMJ's reach chowder66 Jan 2026 #19

Thanks. Midnight Writer Jan 2026 #20

I looked it up before I saw your post. Glad I could share what I learned. chowder66 Jan 2026 #24

That is my question, too. Deuxcents Jan 2026 #21

I posted an answer to the question above. chowder66 Jan 2026 #25

They will lose in court malaise Jan 2026 #18

Suing the military is a tricky business. ... marble falls Jan 2026 #31

The problem is this ScratchCat Jan 2026 #48

One of the first things I signed when enlisting was a waiver to my access to the Bill of Rights. The very next ... marble falls Jan 2026 #55

Two points in your post LogDog75 Jan 2026 #78

I signed those in the Cleveland Federal Building on Feb 3, 1972. It was a shock when I got them. It still is with me. .. marble falls Jan 2026 #81

I, too, stand by what I wrote LogDog75 Jan 2026 #105

Courts have recognized free speech rights are curtailed madville Jan 2026 #92

The military member is responsible for their actions LogDog75 Jan 2026 #107

Kelly earned every penny of that, and his rank. babylonsister Jan 2026 #23

He was literally just restating the military code! nt SunSeeker Jan 2026 #44

This will not stand. Hogsbreath is turning the Pentagon into a chicken shit outfit. ... marble falls Jan 2026 #27

Will Flynn be next? SheltieLover Jan 2026 #28

and his active dip shit brother Historic NY Jan 2026 #60

Oh yes. I'd forgotten about him SheltieLover Jan 2026 #61

Give me a fucking break, that's absolute nonsense. 🤬 Dave Bowman Jan 2026 #29

Childish nonsense at that! marble falls Jan 2026 #38

What bullshit. TickTock, HogsBreath. Joinfortmill Jan 2026 #30

This is such bullshit. 3catwoman3 Jan 2026 #32

What a punk odins folly Jan 2026 #33

You mean like the January 6, 2020 Insurrection? LogDog75 Jan 2026 #108

Correct odins folly Jan 2026 #109

Sue the crap out of hegsbreath vapor2 Jan 2026 #34

I first read that as: "Slap the crap out of hogsbreath". As a dyslexic, I'm up for either! marble falls Jan 2026 #36

Hegseth says Sen. Mark Kelly will receive administrative punishment for video about lawful orders LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #37

Just because he says he is going to do it doesn't mean he can or will. I am pretty Bev54 Jan 2026 #39

So, we have a decorated, retired Navy captain AND former astronaut losing his retirement pay? hamsterjill Jan 2026 #40

And combat veteran at that. MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #49

I'm sure it'll help recruiters bunches. littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #70

Recruit?? Traildogbob Jan 2026 #86

Don't they still have recruiters? littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #89

They do Traildogbob Jan 2026 #90

I think I remember Codifer Jan 2026 #93

College football was plastered with Traildogbob Jan 2026 #94

Roger that, Tdb! Thanks ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 2026 #111

🤜🏼🤛🏼 Traildogbob Jan 2026 #112

Memo to Pete Hogsbreath AverageOldGuy Jan 2026 #42

Ret. USMC here, MarineCombatEngineer Jan 2026 #50

FIGHT BACK AGAINST THESE TRUMP CRIMINALS! democrank Jan 2026 #43

Turn you angst into..... MarcoZandrini Jan 2026 #83

Thanks for the tip, MarcoZandrini. democrank Jan 2026 #100

I feel bad for him and his family FredGarvin Jan 2026 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2026 #53

At least no limit to what and how they've tried to subvert. marble falls Jan 2026 #57

Statement from Senator Kellly LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #54

Well, since there is no such thing as the Department of War, it has little lasting effect. sinkingfeeling Jan 2026 #56

Punishment for telling servicemembers that they should always make sure to follow the law. Mister Ed Jan 2026 #59

Kegsbreath isn't qualified to hand-wash Kelly's jockstrap. NBachers Jan 2026 #62

and yet we did nothing to the traitorous general when we were in power samsingh Jan 2026 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Zenlitened Jan 2026 #75

What an asshole.nt jfz9580m Jan 2026 #64

If this does go to court... Pluvious Jan 2026 #66

It's "seditious" and "reckless conduct" to reaffirm the US Code of Military Justice?? Martin Eden Jan 2026 #67

It isn't seditious or reckless, that's why Mark Kelly should fight this in court ... he'll win for sure FakeNoose Jan 2026 #84

It would be a military court Martin Eden Jan 2026 #104

"Department of WAR" - courtesy of B.See Jan 2026 #74

Flag officers and other high-ranking officers and civilians must be very disappointed to have to toe the line to this mi Norrrm Jan 2026 #77

D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G Faux pas Jan 2026 #79

I think Senator Kelly will win this battle LogDog75 Jan 2026 #80

Another item for the list of things to to when the Democrats are in charge again. Buddyzbuddy Jan 2026 #85

OK Pete we will remember that is an option for once you are out of your position IbogaProject Jan 2026 #87

When Senator Kelly sues, he will have fun using these statements from Hegseth and Bondi LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2026 #91

Hogsbreath sucks... GiqueCee Jan 2026 #95

I prefer Kegsbreath, but otherwise, yeah.... sickening LymphocyteLover Jan 2026 #98

This just sucks. Talk about "weaponization of government". I thought DOD might be above that. I was wrong. Evolve Dammit Jan 2026 #99

FUCK YOU DRUNKEN ASSHOLE orangecrush Jan 2026 #101

Almost seems like Russia has taken over our government thought crime Jan 2026 #103

Sounds like a lawsuit to me. mdbl Jan 2026 #106

The Senators and Representaives ahould read the UCMJ text into the Congressional Record. rickford66 Jan 6 #114

If There Is An Actual Letter OhioTim Jan 6 #115

Title of OP is not the same as the actual title of the article posted at the CNN website. Emile Jan 6 #116