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In reply to the discussion: U.S. payrolls rose 50,000 in December, less than expected; unemployment rate falls to 4.4% [View all]progree
(12,746 posts)29. Yes. The St. Louis Fed estimates only a net 57k jobs/month (+/- 25k) need to be created, down from the old 150k number
Lower Immigration Projections Mean Lower Breakeven Employment Growth Estimates, Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis, 8/28/25
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2025/aug/lower-immigration-projections-mean-lower-breakeven-employment-growth
As for today's report of 50k net new payroll jobs, while unemployment rate ticked down 0.1 percentage points, 3 reasons:
1./ The above
2./ The 2 numbers come from different surveys -- the 50k number comes from the Establishment Survey, while the unemployment rate and labor force participation rate come from the Household Survey. The payroll jobs number sampling error: +/- 136,000 at 90% confidence interval And the unemployed numbers are +/- 300,000 (and +/- 0.2% for the unemployment rate).
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.tn.htm
Note, this is just the sampling error. There are other errors besides sampling error.
Correspondingly, again based on sampling error alone, there is a 50% chance that it is within +/- 55,800, and a 50% chance that it is outside that. So, for example for a reported job gain of 100,000, there is a 50% chance that it is between 44,200 and 155,800, and a 50% chance that it is outside that range based on sampling error alone. Note there are errors other than sampling error that add to the uncertainty
3./ As BRDS said, the labor force participation rate is a big factor in changing the unemployment rate. The labor force fell by 46k in December.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11000000?output_view=net_1mth
https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2025/aug/lower-immigration-projections-mean-lower-breakeven-employment-growth
In April this year, St. Louis Fed economist Victoria Gregory and I provided an estimate for breakeven employment growththe number of jobs the economy needs to add each month to keep the unemployment rate steady. Using Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projections from January, we estimated that the U.S. economy needed to add more than 150,000 jobs per month to maintain a stable unemployment rate.1
Since then, new immigration projections have dramatically changed the picture. The bottom line: With much lower expected immigration for 2025, I now estimate breakeven employment growth has fallen to a range between 32,000 and 82,000 jobs per month. ((that's 57k +/- 25k -progree))
Since then, new immigration projections have dramatically changed the picture. The bottom line: With much lower expected immigration for 2025, I now estimate breakeven employment growth has fallen to a range between 32,000 and 82,000 jobs per month. ((that's 57k +/- 25k -progree))
As for today's report of 50k net new payroll jobs, while unemployment rate ticked down 0.1 percentage points, 3 reasons:
1./ The above
2./ The 2 numbers come from different surveys -- the 50k number comes from the Establishment Survey, while the unemployment rate and labor force participation rate come from the Household Survey. The payroll jobs number sampling error: +/- 136,000 at 90% confidence interval And the unemployed numbers are +/- 300,000 (and +/- 0.2% for the unemployment rate).
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.tn.htm
Note, this is just the sampling error. There are other errors besides sampling error.
Correspondingly, again based on sampling error alone, there is a 50% chance that it is within +/- 55,800, and a 50% chance that it is outside that. So, for example for a reported job gain of 100,000, there is a 50% chance that it is between 44,200 and 155,800, and a 50% chance that it is outside that range based on sampling error alone. Note there are errors other than sampling error that add to the uncertainty
3./ As BRDS said, the labor force participation rate is a big factor in changing the unemployment rate. The labor force fell by 46k in December.
https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11000000?output_view=net_1mth
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U.S. payrolls rose 50,000 in December, less than expected; unemployment rate falls to 4.4% [View all]
BumRushDaShow
Yesterday
OP
The jackass has created a no fire no hire economy in the private sector.
lostincalifornia
Yesterday
#1
I know progree will be around shortly but I think one factor is the "Labor Participation Rate"
BumRushDaShow
Yesterday
#3
Yes. The St. Louis Fed estimates only a net 57k jobs/month (+/- 25k) need to be created, down from the old 150k number
progree
21 hrs ago
#29
Actually nonfarm payroll employment FELL by 192,000, but were seasonally adjusted upwards to +50,000
progree
Yesterday
#4
Not necessarily. UPS, FedEx & Amazon increases are accounted for by the Seasonal Adjustment.
Wiz Imp
Yesterday
#7
"this tells it all" - yes it does. I like that it's percent change, and that it is annualized
progree
Yesterday
#20
Aaron Rupar's video clips of administration talking heads trying to change the subject:
mahatmakanejeeves
Yesterday
#13
Both payroll employment (+50,000) and unemployment rate (4.4%) change little in December
mahatmakanejeeves
Yesterday
#19
and in a couple of months, it will be revised down further as seems to be the case. nt
Javaman
Yesterday
#24
Benchmark jobs data will be released with the next monthly release at the beginning of February.
Wiz Imp
19 hrs ago
#32
🚨 President Literal Asswipe posted job numbers from the report the evening before 😬!
progree
18 hrs ago
#33
"if you REALLY want to be first with the jobs report, check Truth Social the night before"
BumRushDaShow
18 hrs ago
#34