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Igel

(37,392 posts)
5. Won't happen overnight.
Sun Jan 11, 2026, 03:44 PM
10 hrs ago

Same problem as in Venezuela. And Russia. And Belorus'. And PRC.

When you imprison, exile, or kill all the opposition, kicking out the top tier and saying, "Elections in 21 days, candidacy petitions due in 7!" is lunacy. Moreover, just because the top tier is gone doesn't mean that loyal foot soldiers and mid-tier folkx wouldn't love to restore the old order in which they believed or which gave them their jobs, and do that by creating such chaos that people want order, any order, more than liberty. Look at Russia under Yeltsin. It's a commonplace to say that Putin restored things, but all the trendlines were good--unemployment, inflation, corruption, violence--for a couple of years prior to the 20000 election. Problem is, the improvement was less felt than the on-going disruption. (We see the same effect when looking at urban violence--violent crime may go way down, but the news doesn't pro-rate even large decreases when there's still more than enough violence to fill the newscast. Or unemployment. Or inflation.)

"Give me liberty or give me death" is the slogan of the brave few. The vast majority are usually of the "Give me freedom, but never at the expense of my life, the life of somebody I know, my income, my property, my pets ... maybe my favorite tv show!" persuasion.

And even if there is a democratic transition--whatever the hell that means--it's easy (so the allusions) goes to boil a frog. Even the dystopia that Venezuela was reaching in end-stage-Chavez and which blossomed like a corpse flower under Maduro was slow and incremental and at each stage some protested and were shut up until finally the blanket of oppression was so thorough that 7-8 million leaving was okay because to stay would lead to a lot of death and unpleasantness.

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Nope. Not going to happen. pfitz59 10 hrs ago #1
Won't happen overnight. Igel 10 hrs ago #5
That sounds helpful. iemanja 10 hrs ago #2
Deja vu all over again. Sneederbunk 10 hrs ago #3
The shah was no bargain. Better than the Khomeini, but no bargain. Scrivener7 10 hrs ago #4
Pahlavi seems to be the most likely leader to step in rollin74 10 hrs ago #6
What's the source for his having significant support? SamuelTheThird 8 hrs ago #11
I have serious doubts newdeal2 7 hrs ago #13
It's been 48 years Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 9 hrs ago #7
Eppur si muove GJGCA 5 hrs ago #16
The Plan Is Deep State Witch 8 hrs ago #8
So the son of the American puppet who was moniss 8 hrs ago #9
Frankly, I think it is a terrible idea to replace the Islamic state with a kingdom. That certainly isn't the Martin68 8 hrs ago #10
We used to have a democratic state, but now a kingdom. Sneederbunk 6 hrs ago #15
Fuck that. Buzz cook 8 hrs ago #12
I have noticed many of the protestors waving the old regimes flag: EX500rider 7 hrs ago #14
Please don't. Xolodno 4 hrs ago #17
JFC. .anybody remember what happened when the cia had the DEMOCRATICALLY- niyad 4 hrs ago #18
I do... and it's been as screwed up for the people and the world, in general, slightlv 3 hrs ago #19
Sadly, you are absolutely correct. niyad 3 hrs ago #20
Delusional arse-wipe. NotHardly 3 hrs ago #21
Fire and Gas! BidenRocks 1 hr ago #22
Deposed Shah's Son Hopes Trump Will Put Iran Regime 'Down for Good' cliffside 1 hr ago #23
I was wondering when that would come up. Old Crank 2 min ago #24
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