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102. That is a completely different argument then where we began

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 01:19 PM

Jan 2013

I thought we were talking about security. Now your are talking about efficiency. There really isn't any evidence that it is more efficient either. In fact, I could see it being extremely prone to error and abuse. What stops a kid from carrying their friends card into class, now that teachers don't even have to look at their students and pay attention to who is there?

Edit - I just did a double take

"I would say trying to keep track of 2,000 kids who are constantly moving around from activity to activity during the day is a significant problem and expecting teachers to do it by memory is not reasonable."

How do you reconcile this statement with your most recent response? Almost slid by me. Do you at least concede that it is not unreasonable for teachers to know who their students are?

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international conversations, communications. Sunlei Jan 2013 #174

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Schools do not use SSNs for student ID numbers anymore. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #106

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Sorry about that. I'll have another look. (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #151

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Good!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #57

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While Turning in course Work Macoy51 Jan 2013 #176

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wrap it in tin foil in a stylish manner or find a stylish metal case to protect it with dembotoz Jan 2013 #67

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