Retired Gen. Stanley McChrystal calls for 'serious' gun control measures, says military-style guns..

[AtheistCrusader]

56. Hardly.

Entirely broken analogy. The resources used to construct a hummer, versus a more economical vehicle are massive. More steel, more copper, etc. So from the outset, that hummer has led to more mining, more drilling, more smelting, more aerosols, more industrial waste, etc, than my 52mpg vehicle. Just in production effort. I don't even have to cross the letter of your statement and DRIVE it, rather than simply own it, to have caused significant environmental destruction over the production effort for my actual vehicle.

Both production and operational costs in both money, and in CO2 output, and more, are incomparable.


Compare to my AR-15, in the context of peace/violence.

When it was produced, 3 rounds were fired through it, at a paper target to verify function. Called Proof Rounds. It was cleaned, and went into a cardboard box. My father purchased it. It remained in the cardboard box. He died. I inherited it. I removed it from the cardboard box, and placed it in a safe. There it has remained.

At no point has that device, from the day it was produced, caused or participated in any violence whatsoever.

I am not a violent person. I live by the non-aggression principle. I spend considerable effort (about 4 hours yesterday on planning deployment of emergency supplies to about 20,000 people) on CPR training, first aid, disaster planning, all manner of measures to protect human life. I even spent some time yesterday arguing in favor of registration and some other gun control measures that I believe would directly address some of the violence that is force multiplied by the possession of firearms with and without artificial class designation like 'assault weapons' in the hands of violent people.

But possessing that rifle does not make me a violent person. Has not caused any violence. Has not been utilized in the commission of any violence.

I could not consistently claim the same about environmentalism, if I owned the arbitrary vehicle you selected. Owning my actual, high-efficiency vehicle might not be proof of environmentalist concerns either, if I planned to drive it from here to New York for a pizza and back, for no particular reason. I COULD use that high efficiency more-environmentally-friendly-than-a-hummer vehicle to do not very environmentally friendly things. I COULD use that AR-15 to do very violent acts. I do not. I choose not to. I desire a clean, sustainable habitat in which to live, and I desire peaceful, amicable relations with the rest of society.

That makes it internally consistent that I claim to be both an environmentalist, to use your example, AND a peaceable person, even though I commit the offense (in your eyes) of possessing an AR-15.