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Sunlei

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Thu Jan 10, 2013, 07:20 AM

Jan 2013

I do think it was a knee jerk reaction for the Gov. to cram in these laws just 10 days after 9-11.

That statrted a whole private industry of for profit businesses around those laws. Same for the anti-mexican laws, medical marijuana regulation systems, border patrol stuff and now a 'school security" and childrens education businesses.

Any business that can grab federal and state money to enjoy a huge profit from it will write and lobby hard for new laws.

Once a law is in place it is almost impossible to get rid of. The private bussinesses do not want that bonanza of state/federal money to ever stop.

Student ID cards have been around forever, many businesses, hospitals use security cards. People could make a fake card, fake student ID and walk into a place..test cheat for example. but with a chip in it, that is much harder.

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Student Suspended for Refusing to Wear RFID Tracker Loses Lawsuit [View all] IDemo Jan 2013 OP

I dislike religions, but RFIDing students? ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #1

Why is that wrong? It's just an id. If they swiped in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #35

An RFID isn't simply "swiped". An RFID is read from a distance. ET Awful Jan 2013 #58

Whilst this is true, it's also practicable (and practiced)... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #90

Yes, your description is basically correct, but I would note... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #114

It's made to track them--IN THE SCHOOL. Once the student leaves campus, they can remove the MADem Jan 2013 #126

As in Minority Report...see the movie for how evil this can become. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #149

"What's the big deal?" BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #65

+1000 Exactly! nt docgee Jan 2013 #68

They always ask the same question: Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #74

Its a ding dong high school. HS kids have always been... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #86

Ther is a difference between tracking kids Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #101

After visiting the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #107

Sounds like it's enabling fraud customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #177

Its up to the state to decide... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #188

the school cares more about the card in the school than the actual child. Sunlei Jan 2013 #178

I think the school cares about the actual child... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #187

A post befitting the name of its poster FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #131

There are those who... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #150

I'm with the people who wrote the 4th Amendment FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #165

Unreasonable searches and seizures? I don't see... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #167

Except the tracking is thru roll calls rather than virtual tracking. alp227 Jan 2013 #159

This system really seems to be about school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #162

Instead of rationalizing this invasion of privacy how about a better solution for school funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #163

A better solution for school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #166

So you can't trust teachers to take roll call properly? alp227 Jan 2013 #169

A teacher can't count a kid who is not in the room... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #170

Except if the kid is on campus but NOT IN CLASS...why should the school still get per pupil funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #171

They are using state standards for attendance. You would have to ask the state. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #172

What stops skipping kids from hanging their badges in their lockers or the restrooms or DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #184

RFIDs are clearly all about the money.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #185

Kids will hang their RFID badges in the school, then not attend classes. DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #191

Interesting points. But they aren't civil rights issues. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #195

Well, the people--or in this case, the person--didn't prevail. MADem Jan 2013 #127

Welcome to DU and thank you for the great reply. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #152

Yep, the deer in the headlight people, the I never did anything wrong crowd, RKP5637 Jan 2013 #155

It is wrong because 1984 was a cautionary tale Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #70

exactly. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #80

plus is there is the ongoing cost to maintain Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #99

The culture of subservience Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #112

and some think of it as an instruction manual. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #120

Quite a few right here on DU. Occulus Jan 2013 #137

^^^THIS^^^ BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #83

More teachers, books and decent hot lunches.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #87

I seriously doubt that the 30 seconds required to call the roll Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94

It takes more than 30 seconds, and attendance reports have to be filled in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #103

Don't make us laugh. Occulus Jan 2013 #138

Getting rid of the testing... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #140

Why bring it up? Here, I'll quote you: Occulus Jan 2013 #142

RE: If you want more time to actually teach, stop teaching to the test. reACTIONary Jan 2013 #160

drip by drop, by cover of labyrinthine code masquerading as law, and sealed with the kiss of years Mutatis Mutandis Jan 2013 #175

Very poetic. Changed things having been changed... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #189

RFID works both ways. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #71

Let me see, Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #77

Well, I didn't see the price, but... TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #115

Ah, that explains the "revenue" Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #183

This is a pilot program to see if it is cost effective... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #117

"Their interest is increasing school revenues. " Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #182

The school gets funding from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #186

Again, the question is Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #190

OK. But that just isn't a civil rights issue. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #194

The data on the RFID is a simple arbitrary serial number... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #116

Easy solution. Home school. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #2

easier solution: don't tag kids like cattle. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #5

Questions for you Tempest Jan 2013 #8

You first. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #14

That's a cop-out. Adios. Tempest Jan 2013 #19

LOLOL Javaman Jan 2013 #64

NO. NO. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #21

Ben Franklin would not approve. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #31

The next accessory for the AR-14 will be an RFID tracker. Feel safer now? leveymg Jan 2013 #55

What??? atreides1 Jan 2013 #72

How would have tracking students Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #79

Because it took a while to find all the students, as some had run away. jeff47 Jan 2013 #93

"think of the children" is always a piss-poor excuse. Occulus Jan 2013 #139

+1 million Ter Jan 2013 #27

What's wrong with a student id card? And what's wrong with making easy to read? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #36

After all the Jones and Teabagger ravings, TX has more surveillance than ever... freshwest Jan 2013 #3

They do give a damn Ter Jan 2013 #28

Time to require all judges to wear tracker RFID The Second Stone Jan 2013 #4

Can we RFID Congress? TeamPooka Jan 2013 #6

Why bother? Tab Jan 2013 #17

Think Vitter. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #81

I'm sure judges, as well as other court employees, have id cards... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #37

The family is represented by the Rutherford Institute... DonViejo Jan 2013 #7

How does that matter? I wouldn't allow a daughter or son or mine to wear one KoKo Jan 2013 #9

Statement of fact; nothing more, nothing less. eom DonViejo Jan 2013 #12

Why not? Robb Jan 2013 #16

Could this be why we have a 2nd Amendment? Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #10

No, that's why we have the FOURTH Amendment BainsBane Jan 2013 #11

Nah, s/he's just concerned about the "slippery slope." crim son Jan 2013 #33

The Second Amendment has nothing to do with violence Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #111

So what is the utility of the Second Amendment in this case? BainsBane Jan 2013 #113

What then does it have to do with "bending over...?" LanternWaste Jan 2013 #133

It means we must bend over to the corporate elite Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #144

nice signature line daschess1987 Jan 2013 #20

Ever heard of ALEC ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #32

You are going to shoot people dead... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #34

Let us hope she doesn't learn that it's okay to "cast away that which offends". Trillo Jan 2013 #13

The school offered to remove the RFID. Its just an id card. Big deal. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #38

Suspensions are never a big deal to third parties. NT Trillo Jan 2013 #47

What I meant by "not a big deal" was... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #49

Sorry, I added to my post above, didn't see your reply. Trillo Jan 2013 #51

The original article when this first came out said tammywammy Jan 2013 #63

Given that she thinks the RFID is the "mark of the beast" and... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #118

I read some of the pdf tammywammy left. Trillo Jan 2013 #143

Start a whitehouse.org pettition to grant her the diploma... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #154

Glad they didn't have those my senior year Canoe52 Jan 2013 #15

If they installed an RFID reader in the trees across the street from school JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #56

And I'd have missed out on many deep dish pizza lunches FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #193

This is a tough one. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #18

Without the religious angle, on what grounds would you challenge it? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #39

I dunno Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #42

How is issuing a student id to be construed as a search? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #45

Simply because thier presence or absence is suddenly suspicious Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #48

I don't know about a kid's presence in school being suspicious... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #50

because the school has no real authority Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #52

They definitely are interested in collecting tax dollars from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #119

the school will know where... neovente Jan 2013 #84

Fun to watch the reverse gymnastics. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #134

Big Brother Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #22

Could move to employers saying take or leave it too if you take it off at lunch no pay lunasun Jan 2013 #108

Neither think Jan 2013 #128

The district said it would allow her to continue attending school with the battery and chip removed tomm2thumbs Jan 2013 #23

A card around the neck? Whoa. I'd object, too. How horrible. What's the purpose? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #24

Everybody where I work has an id card, and we wear them so others can see them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #40

School is not work Ash_F Jan 2013 #69

Student id cards are ubiquitous in schools. With thousands of kids in each school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #85

Then you are misinformed Ash_F Jan 2013 #88

I'm pretty sure that teachers at this school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #96

That is a completely different argument then where we began Ash_F Jan 2013 #102

You reminded me of what it was like to be in high school, and I visited... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #105

They aren't used to track every micro second of the worker's time at work. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #78

And why would you think that is done at this school? No where does it say... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #82

Read the article again. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #89

Instead, I went to the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #92

If it tracks, it tracks. Employers who read e-mails also keep track of info from trackers. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #147

You don't see wealthy people with cards hanging around their necks, do you? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #146

Actually, I see several wealthy people, every day or so, wearing them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #153

You got me there...except I'm gonna guess he's at a special event Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #157

A few thoughts... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #158

There's always a stated "good reason" for restrictions on one's liberty. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #161

I'd say, yes, there always should be a good reason... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #164

FYI, Another rich guy with an id around his neck... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #168

All employees where I work wear a badge. tammywammy Jan 2013 #192

I would not have liked being tracked at all in school or work, but I can see the benefits of this. Sunlei Jan 2013 #25

until that student doesn't show up in the right classroom at the right time SemperEadem Jan 2013 #59

true but some high school students are pretty clever :) Sunlei Jan 2013 #173

the day they can split themselves into two is one I'll be waiting for... SemperEadem Jan 2013 #181

But sometimes a good end doesn't justify the means. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #148

international conversations, communications. Sunlei Jan 2013 #174

I'm so happy I don't have to even care about Politicalboi Jan 2013 #26

well when you do have children SemperEadem Jan 2013 #60

When we reach the point of RFID Trackers in schools, armed teachers, endless RKP5637 Jan 2013 #29

I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way concerning this issue... defacto7 Jan 2013 #54

In the future what do you imagine a police state run school would be like? lunasun Jan 2013 #109

Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #125

Much like a Dickensian workhouse. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #135

My main objection to it is the use of SSN in the implementation of the device. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #30

A couple of points... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #43

Why would there be a huge traffic jam for a school LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #73

It would be a huge traffic jam because... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #91

It doesn't use actual SSNs jeff47 Jan 2013 #95

Schools do not use SSNs for student ID numbers anymore. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #106

Step by step, inch by inch, creeping stealthily into 1984. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #41

Could be a lot of job creation out of that... I'd gladly apply to work at an RFID factory. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #44

My TV? I've got a camera and a microphone installed in my computer... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #46

It's already here... sickwidit Jan 2013 #100

And your laptop, your iPad, your cell phone... the list goes on. :) Thegonagle Jan 2013 #132

The Urban High School I went to had LarryNM Jan 2013 #53

They have too many students in the schools. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #75

I looked up on the school district's web site. They have... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #121

So far you haven't understood anything I have posted. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #145

Sorry about that. I'll have another look. (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #151

They don't seem to have a security problem... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #122

Good!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #57

is it really that much of a security feature SemperEadem Jan 2013 #61

Just Disable the Chip Macoy51 Jan 2013 #62

Yes, because the students benefit greatly when they're marked absent for weeks. jeff47 Jan 2013 #97

While Turning in course Work Macoy51 Jan 2013 #176

Because the teacher's written grade book is integrated with the RFID computer jeff47 Jan 2013 #179

What do the gay kids wear ripcord Jan 2013 #66

wrap it in tin foil in a stylish manner or find a stylish metal case to protect it with dembotoz Jan 2013 #67

Misleading because district agreed to allow her to wear an ID without the chip. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #76

Much ado about nothing. randome Jan 2013 #98

Some of the "Rapturists" do think that bar codes are the mark of the Beast. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #104

+10 (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #123

Money and danger involved lunasun Jan 2013 #110

The names and addresses don't help RFID tracking... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #124

My sons went in the microwave. Xithras Jan 2013 #129

Yes, destroying the RFID chip is a simple solution, and works well. hunter Jan 2013 #136

Far better reaction than all the ho-humming elsewhere in this thread. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #141

By introducint RFID tags to school children the system is avebury Jan 2013 #130

This is not good tawadi Jan 2013 #156

but just think.... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #180