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61. "...interested in having an honest conversation about what works..."

Thu Jan 10, 2013, 09:40 PM

Jan 2013

I see. And what would this discussion be about? I've never heard the NRA once come up with any actual proposals for how to address gun violence. The only thing they ever have to contribute to the discussion is to deny that guns play any role in gun violence and to hurl misleading invective at anyone who tries to discuss gun violence. So a gun association wants to be part of a discussion in which they are unwilling to participate. So what, precisely, about guns do hey wish to discuss? Do they just want to get together with public officials, drink a few beers, and shoot the shit about how great hollow point ammo is? What? What they are clearly not interested in is having anything whatsoever to do with any discussion of gun violence. So why don't they just go home if they don't want to talk about it?

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NRA �Disappointed� With Biden Meeting For Proposing Restrictions On Guns [View all] apnu Jan 2013 OP

Translation: We didn't get what we wanted loyalkydem Jan 2013 #1

Exactly right. hamsterjill Jan 2013 #71

'Specifically, what 'failed solutions?' The Blue Flower Jan 2013 #2

If it is a "solution" how can it be failed? Bandit Jan 2013 #16

Brilliant TinTX Jan 2013 #78

I like this part of their statement. atreides1 Jan 2013 #3

They are already criminals and madmen in my book. apnu Jan 2013 #7

Thing is, Adam Lanza was a law-abiding citizen before he opened fire. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #13

He was certainly a madman. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #27

But could he pass... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #63

Seriously -- it just makes sense for EVERYBODY. If I were your next door gateley Jan 2013 #95

The problem with licensing is that it creates a registry, and anything involving govt psych testing TinTX Jan 2013 #97

I think the testing bias could work both ways -- gateley Jan 2013 #99

Don't be so sure... TinTX Jan 2013 #100

I have to agree on the government testing being frightening. gateley Jan 2013 #101

And welcome to DU, TinTX! gateley Jan 2013 #102

Thanks for your hospitality! TinTX Jan 2013 #108

What's wrong with a registry? harmonicon Jan 2013 #145

Yeah, bias could be a problem... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #123

I think the gun show loophole is a good step. Just caught the gateley Jan 2013 #125

I don't oppose the idea of a "null psych eval" but I would need to know several things ... spin Jan 2013 #150

Like gunners in general, intransigence is making upaloopa Jan 2013 #4

This is a naive position TinTX Jan 2013 #77

Yeah, well watch and listen for a while. upaloopa Jan 2013 #80

That's an effective argument upaloopa TinTX Jan 2013 #87

I believe Gabby Giffords' new organization is going to leave the NRA in the dust Politicub Jan 2013 #106

I am not an NRA member, but they are not as extreme as is necessary to advance your argument.... TinTX Jan 2013 #109

Are you really asking that question? Have you been paying attention? Politicub Jan 2013 #115

Why should we have curbs on high capacity magazines and ARs? TinTX Jan 2013 #116

So guess now grenades are passe'? lark Jan 2013 #118

Not a straw man- the second ammendment is about distrust of government- not massacres TinTX Jan 2013 #122

Use of guns by private citizens to deal with the government is kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #129

I agree with your civilized society argument TinTX Jan 2013 #140

I don't distrust government Politicub Jan 2013 #134

My worldview is based on a broad understanding of history TinTX Jan 2013 #139

You have no logic to "take down" as you say. You only have fear and paranoia. Politicub Jan 2013 #152

Watch your attitude. You're off to a crappy start. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #128

oh really? TinTX Jan 2013 #141

That's a very disturbing statistic, and nothing to be proud of Turborama Jan 2013 #81

I am not proud of it- it is what it is... TinTX Jan 2013 #82

We don't NEED them "to keep ourselves safe from each other" Turborama Jan 2013 #89

We can't effectively get them rounded up, and the Founder's distrust of government was well placed.. TinTX Jan 2013 #91

WE. DON'T. HAVE. DESPOTISM. YOU. FOOL..........and we weren't even close even under Bush, kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #131

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #137

I'm perfectly safe in one of our nation's largest cities and I have NEVER owned a gun. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #130

talking points- really? TinTX Jan 2013 #138

And according to another Wiki referenced statistic thetonka Jan 2013 #103

That's what I wanna know... TinTX Jan 2013 #107

It makes me sad thetonka Jan 2013 #111

And that's true on both the liberal and conservative sides depending on the issue... TinTX Jan 2013 #113

Libertarians are just as bad as Republicans. You aren't going to last long here. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #132

Truth! Turborama Jan 2013 #136

Are you kidding me? TinTX Jan 2013 #142

Read up demwing Jan 2013 #149

I don't believe US has highest per capita guns. lark Jan 2013 #119

Got proof? thetonka Jan 2013 #121

FACT: WHERE THERE ARE MORE GUNS THERE IS MORE HOMICIDE Turborama Jan 2013 #124

80 million is definitely a minority. We need to remind them of that little fact. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #127

Gallup polls TinTX Jan 2013 #143

Awwww...I'm sure that Big Joe is just freakin' crestfallen. BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #5

This Was Written BEFORE Meeting SoCalMusicLover Jan 2013 #6

really? BainsBane Jan 2013 #76

I'm sorry Biden did not literally kick their lobbyists in the rearend. Hoyt Jan 2013 #8

Delighted to hear VP Biden didn't kiss NRA's over-weened intransigent ass ~nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #9

Joe has a long history of getting on their bad side. Jennicut Jan 2013 #17

Any day the NRA is "disappointed" is a good day. Chorophyll Jan 2013 #10

K&R for this post Drum Jan 2013 #62

+1 Scuba Jan 2013 #65

They poisoned the water before the meeting Tempest Jan 2013 #11

The NRA is a sales group. Archae Jan 2013 #12

Anyone that needs a gun to "protect themself" from others in America is... DryRain Jan 2013 #14

Agree 100%! Disarm the 810k+ LEO who always carry handguns. They are "delusional and crazy". nt jody Jan 2013 #19

You seem to have glossed over the "to protect themselves" part. DryRain Jan 2013 #22

I have a RIGHT to protect myself. LEO have a privilege granted by govt. and that govt. is not jody Jan 2013 #26

NO, You do NOT have that right, unless you have earned it, in a ... DryRain Jan 2013 #35

DryRain with 54 posts, I'll be nice and recommend you read SCOTUS decisions in DC v Heller and jody Jan 2013 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author DryRain Jan 2013 #40

You have put Jody on "full igore" DryRain Jan 2013 #49

I could have sworn there were assault rifles prior to 2008 TinTX Jan 2013 #86

Thanks for the suggestion lark Jan 2013 #120

No right to self-defense? NickB79 Jan 2013 #47

welcome DryRain klyon Jan 2013 #98

You certainly have a right to think you can protect yourself... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #72

LanternWaste have a great day. nt jody Jan 2013 #73

I'm not sure what you're trying to say with this post NickB79 Jan 2013 #46

You were doing something illegal at 17! DryRain Jan 2013 #48

I'll give you all the details you want NickB79 Jan 2013 #52

Thank you Nick for posting this inconvenient bit of reality TinTX Jan 2013 #79

Boo Fucking Hoo jpak Jan 2013 #15

Problem is no one has found evidence of the cause(s) of crime. Until then neither side has the high jody Jan 2013 #18

Guns make it a lot easier to kill. Case closed. nt geek tragedy Jan 2013 #21

Wouldn't you agree that you think "that's critical"... countryjake Jan 2013 #23

You missed my point. The anti-RKBA crowd has no credible research that shows the number or type jody Jan 2013 #24

Half of all mass murders in America have occurred since the Assault Weapons Ban AndyA Jan 2013 #28

Please publish your conclusions in a refereed journal and have it blessed by the jody Jan 2013 #33

Bing is your friend. AndyA Jan 2013 #37

Obviously you're way over your head. Goodbye nt jody Jan 2013 #38

Typical. AndyA Jan 2013 #39

Typical primavera Jan 2013 #68

primavera please rebut the conclusions of the two major surveys of research on the topic, link below jody Jan 2013 #69

"The two"? primavera Jan 2013 #74

What if there were a sort of round-about-way to get to the same result, Volaris Jan 2013 #88

And you did not answer my question. countryjake Jan 2013 #32

I don't care about an answer to your question. I care about research that shows a cause & effect jody Jan 2013 #34

How about 20 dead children... groundloop Jan 2013 #45

Figures on gun ownership is all the research needed... countryjake Jan 2013 #50

If figures are all that matter, then consider jody Jan 2013 #51

And an exorbitant ammo tax on that "294 million" countryjake Jan 2013 #53

What credible research shows taxing ammunition will reduce murders? nt jody Jan 2013 #54

Common sense; raise the cost, reduce gun proliferation. countryjake Jan 2013 #55

Why do you insult me by alleging "prolong enactment"? Goodbye jody Jan 2013 #56

Because you refused to answer my very first question? countryjake Jan 2013 #59

well... there is undeniable evidence that all gun deaths in this country come from guns..... bowens43 Jan 2013 #64

Please provide link to "credible research that shows the number or type of firearm causes murder." jody Jan 2013 #66

Actually, the NRA has been suppressing research on gun violence for decades primavera Jan 2013 #67

That is the ultimate dishonesty of the gun nut assholes: they suppress research with threats alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #70

That's a good point. apnu Jan 2013 #25

"They're coming to take our guns away!" yorokmok Jan 2013 #29

Yes, it is. janx Jan 2013 #31

Cause? Cosmocat Jan 2013 #57

Self-defense is a personal responsibility and individual's have a right to keep and bear arms to do jody Jan 2013 #58

WTF Cosmocat Jan 2013 #153

I know this is circumstantial evidence but... mwooldri Jan 2013 #114

Thanks. Don't have an answer and neither does Biden's Gun Violence Commission yet! See thread at jody Jan 2013 #117

Poor little babys... Canoe52 Jan 2013 #20

Go fuck yourselves, NRA MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #30

we're disappointed in the betrayals by the nra samsingh Jan 2013 #41

NRA = Not Really Astute SoapBox Jan 2013 #42

p.s....oh ya, FUCK Off NRA! SoapBox Jan 2013 #44

any day that the nra is disappointed choie Jan 2013 #43

The NRA and other gun humpers can go fuck themselves. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #60

"...interested in having an honest conversation about what works..." primavera Jan 2013 #61

Lobbying needs kicked off the hill...all of it... and-justice-for-all Jan 2013 #75

Who would have ever thought a predominantly Caucasian, right-wing political action committee... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #83

Perhaps the NRA needs to change their acronym to the NARA. olddad56 Jan 2013 #84

PR Speak translation bl968 Jan 2013 #85

NRA's real agenda is to increase gun industry profitability nt ErikJ Jan 2013 #90

What Is He Talking About DallasNE Jan 2013 #92

Good point stevenmitchell Jan 2013 #112

Lead poisoning leads to gun craziness? Dogbert22 Jan 2013 #93

poor puppies oldandhappy Jan 2013 #94

Good job, Joe! gateley Jan 2013 #96

I think my computer was hacked by NRA wvfem Jan 2013 #104

It's doable stevenmitchell Jan 2013 #110

My hate for the NRA knows no bounds Politicub Jan 2013 #105

It's time Democrats in power stood up to the NRA and told them where to go. Democratopia Jan 2013 #126

the administration needs to take down the NRA supercats Jan 2013 #133

If the NRA is disappointed it makes me happy Politicub Jan 2013 #135

It's my right to have nuclear-armed cruise missiles. harmonicon Jan 2013 #144

Anything that disappoints the NRA works for me. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #146

If the NRA is disappointed, I feel hopeful tavalon Jan 2013 #147

My response to them is... davidpdx Jan 2013 #148

maybe, just maybe......... TheGov97 Jan 2013 #151