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61. You are falsely accusing me.

Sat Jan 12, 2013, 07:06 PM

Jan 2013

I have stated that I agree that I would not consent to having a circ done with this technique.

The OP was about the technical details of one step of the procedure, and that parents have a right to be warned about it. And I completely agree with this.

But I have also chosen to stamp up to the barrage of thread-jacking attempts to equate circumcision to "mutilation". And for this I have been shouted down by anti-circ folks who paint the entire procedure as some sort of travesty using quite a broad brush because of this one detail. People who describe the practice of circ in general as sick, antiquated, valueless, indefensible, disgusting, somehow relating to pedophilia, victimizing, psychicly damaging, ...

So you tell me. Am I the one being discourteous? Have I disparaged anyone here? Are any of my posts alert-worthy? Because from where I sit, there has been nothing but a dog pile against me. I think I do have a right to call out thread jacking. And I think I've been a hell of a lot more courteous than most of the people I am replying to.

(Of course, I don't want to use a broad brush here -- there have certainly been some people who have disagreed with me while remaining civil, and I thank them for it.)

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Judge won't block New York City circumcision law [View all] SugarShack Jan 2013 OP

I don't understand your comment. DURHAM D Jan 2013 #1

Baby Dies From Circumcision Ritual tomm2thumbs Jan 2013 #2

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #3

That's some sick shit. go west young man Jan 2013 #4

Careful what you say maquisard Jan 2013 #16

Equating circumcision to genital mutilation is disingenuous. eggplant Jan 2013 #23

You are entitled to your opinion, of course maquisard Jan 2013 #28

Well, I'm so glad that you believe that I'm entitled to my offensive opinion. eggplant Jan 2013 #34

Perhaps you should extend to others the same courtesy... maquisard Jan 2013 #57

You are falsely accusing me. eggplant Jan 2013 #61

Falsely accusing you of what? maquisard Jan 2013 #68

Wait, what? eggplant Jan 2013 #73

Oooh, sorry, you're right, I misread that maquisard Jan 2013 #77

I appreciate this post. eggplant Jan 2013 #81

Taliban doesn't believe in vaccination. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #86

Charles Darwin did NOT believe in Vaccinations either. happyslug Jan 2013 #92

Except where it's done with a sharpened seashell; TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #85

That was another jury bad call... defacto7 Jan 2013 #24

The juries are a popularity contest - if you're popular you can say shit. If not, you get hidden. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #54

I think it was the use of the word "dick" confrontationally. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #87

Innocent babies... Trascoli Jan 2013 #89

That sounds like a truly disgusting ritual pennylane100 Jan 2013 #5

Wow. Now mohels are pedophiles? eggplant Jan 2013 #6

Religious bigotry? go west young man Jan 2013 #9

Their psyche is damaged? eggplant Jan 2013 #14

"There is tangible evidence" ???? defacto7 Jan 2013 #25

Boy, google is so hard to operate. eggplant Jan 2013 #27

That is one US study. defacto7 Jan 2013 #37

You asked for tangible evidence, I gave you tangible evidence. eggplant Jan 2013 #40

You quoted one article which is refuted by many others. TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #90

FGM *is* mutilation. eggplant Jan 2013 #31

... but nothing to do with the OP. defacto7 Jan 2013 #35

My comparison has nothing to do with the OP. eggplant Jan 2013 #39

Circumcision is a cosmetic procedure. So baby's wee wee looks like daddy's wee wee. McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #45

The consent thing is a canard. eggplant Jan 2013 #51

Because its a cosmetic procedure. riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #55

Parents make all sorts of decisions that have real and permanent consequences for their kids. eggplant Jan 2013 #58

I'm sorry but elective cosmetic procedures performed on infants riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #66

Once again... eggplant Jan 2013 #69

Discussions on DU are usually wide ranging, frequently OT, + you don't get to be the thread director riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #74

Yes, I now what you are talking about. eggplant Jan 2013 #80

Is it necessary to suck the penis to get the blood?? Did you read this? SugarShack Jan 2013 #113

Oh yes. Its just more horrific added onto more horrific for me. Agreed. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2013 #114

Eh, in my world pain causes psychological damage. go west young man Jan 2013 #60

Children are subjected to many procedures that are painful. eggplant Jan 2013 #65

It's an issue of consent and body autonomy Scootaloo Jan 2013 #105

I'm not ok with it either. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #12

You completely mischaracterize this. eggplant Jan 2013 #15

Have you read the article? maquisard Jan 2013 #18

Right here. eggplant Jan 2013 #20

So what you're saying is that you object to the poster's moral judgment maquisard Jan 2013 #32

No, they don't simply have a different opinion than me. eggplant Jan 2013 #36

Actually, that would be a false equivalency maquisard Jan 2013 #62

Great analogy! go west young man Jan 2013 #64

A prostate exam is in no way required to save your life. eggplant Jan 2013 #67

I agree with you that intent is import, however ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #88

+1 Agschmid Jan 2013 #98

That part of it was news to me. Ew..just Ew. smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #109

Yes, it is so far fetched to imagine that there perverts posing as religious leaders. pennylane100 Jan 2013 #19

Wow. eggplant Jan 2013 #22

These people aren't trained medical professionals. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #43

Yes, they are trained professionals. eggplant Jan 2013 #47

Again. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #83

An adult suckin on a child's genitals? Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #99

What kind of parent would expose their infant son's wounded penis ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #7

One who wasn't aware of the details of the procedure and hires a mohel who uses this technique. eggplant Jan 2013 #10

That makes much more sense to the likes of me. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #13

I see this post as copyright violation. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #8

There is a pretty good discussion of the pros and McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #48

I don't want to shut it down LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #63

You don't have to, I fixed it so it complies SugarShack Jan 2013 #72

Much better! Thanks LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #82

Spam deleted by Behind the Aegis (MIR Team) jgyjadsgf Jan 2013 #11

Hello - LBN host here: you need to supply a link and also more importantly OKNancy Jan 2013 #17

It's been done, a direct link is there and copyright issues addressed SugarShack Jan 2013 #107

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #21

That's sick obama2terms Jan 2013 #26

At least Catholics have the good sense to do it when nobody's looking. dorkulon Jan 2013 #29

Sexual deviance or not... defacto7 Jan 2013 #30

Well, the American Academy of Pediatrics disagrees with you. eggplant Jan 2013 #38

Yes, it is politically motivated. For quite a while, the Peds said "No" to circumcision. McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #44

Are you suggesting that the studies are wrong? eggplant Jan 2013 #52

not just to make it look like daddy's dhol82 Jan 2013 #59

And European doctors disagree with the American Academy of Pediatrics. Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #102

This message was self-deleted by its author brandonk Jan 2013 #33

This seems like a very low-demand problem. OswegoAtheist Jan 2013 #41

Yeah this form of circumcision just needs to be banned outright nt ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #49

This ritual is not normative Sgent Jan 2013 #76

Applying the human mouth to any open wound is a bad idea. McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #42

I agree. eggplant Jan 2013 #53

For those who say circumcism prevents disease....prophylactic mastectomy of all women would prevent McCamy Taylor Jan 2013 #46

This is a false equivalency. eggplant Jan 2013 #56

It actually wouldn't be very radical if performed on a newborn. Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #101

Imagine if the female "circumcism" was performed "medically" and sanctified by the Rabbi's libdem4life Jan 2013 #50

And the false equivalence continues unabated in all its breathtaking bigotry. aquart Jan 2013 #70

How are both gender genitals false equivalency? And breathtaking bigotry...please, proceed??? libdem4life Jan 2013 #75

Its not a false equivalency. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2013 #84

And it matters not which gender is experiencing the religious mouth or the knife...I think we are in libdem4life Jan 2013 #91

Breathtaking bigotry against men and their sexual anatomy. Crunchy Frog Jan 2013 #103

Thanks for keeping this kicked! I had a notice it did not comply with rules and link SugarShack Jan 2013 #71

I wish I had realized.... ReRe Jan 2013 #78

Yes, the only points family and doctor could make for my infant son was it's basic procedure libdem4life Jan 2013 #93

You did the right thing... ReRe Jan 2013 #95

There is no logical modern parsing of this issue of ritual male bloodletting other than hygiene. libdem4life Jan 2013 #79

The disgusting oral aspect of this, is just well crazy! SugarShack Jan 2013 #94

After all my research about my son, I never ran into this potentiality. libdem4life Jan 2013 #97

Every single parent who consents to this needs their kids taken away. Period. ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #96

Oy! Larrymoe Curlyshemp Jan 2013 #100

The article is about 2 methods. NOWHERE is this about not doing one, just the method involved. graham4anything Jan 2013 #104

They clearly don't want to follow up on this. Lots of noise on marijuana in NY now.... SugarShack Jan 2013 #106

Her body, her choice - his body, his choice. closeupready Jan 2013 #108

If I were DA in NY EVER SINGLE mohel who's ever done this would get child molestation charges filed ButterflyBlood Jan 2013 #110

IMHO cut cocks are far better, but I don't see the need to do this on children SWTORFanatic Jan 2013 #111

Well many do it to children, but THIS oral process is like a blood ritual SugarShack Jan 2013 #112