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SouthBayDem

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56. Profitable, because we are a post-literate society.
Wed Jun 10, 2026, 11:49 PM
15 hrs ago

When I joined DU in 2009, I was a tech optimist, believing that websites like this and social networks like Facebook would enable a true marketplace of ideas. Barack Obama is said to be the first social media president.

Unfortunately in retrospect I should have been less naive. I remember seeing plenty of ill-informed blogs, personal websites, and chainmails in the 2000s and early 2010s. But those were the kid's meal compared to the sewage on modern day Facebook or Twitter.

As was written in a blog in 2016:

Populism is great and can be an engine of change, but one ought to worry when the “ordinary working people” are poorly educated, and a quarter of your base is dead wrong on simple facts, that there is also potential for disaster.


Same goes for AI and chatbots.

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Wow, this is a great ruling. I hope it holds! SunSeeker 22 hrs ago #1
Outside of the issue of defamatory statements... reACTIONary 22 hrs ago #2
You can find them useful. Doesn't change the fact that AI isn't necessary for the task, which these companies are all Karasu 22 hrs ago #4
Nobody is forcing users to use AI.... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #13
Um..yes, they are. "Scrolling down" doesn't change that. Companies forcing the use of AI goes MUCH farther than simple Karasu 21 hrs ago #17
Unless you check everything in the AI overview - every alleged fact, every quote, every source - you highplainsdem 22 hrs ago #5
It's not really that hard to check it out.... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #12
LOL! In other words, you don't check. And it sounds as if you'd use AI overviews you hadn't bothered highplainsdem 19 hrs ago #31
If you look at a page from a "regular" web page search, do you.... reACTIONary 18 hrs ago #34
I've seen news stories including studies about the links in AI overviews often not actually leading highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #36
I'm focused on the value AI brings to .... reACTIONary 16 hrs ago #50
AI search on the internet is a parasite killing its host. There's no value in that. The errors make its highplainsdem 16 hrs ago #51
Well then, if that's the case, eventually..... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #52
Of all the silly comparisons. Calculators would never have been widely used if they were as error-prone highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #57
I sometimes post AI search results here, and.... reACTIONary 15 hrs ago #58
The whopper is everything you've said suggesting people should trust AI results. Even AI companies highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #61
Not any less trustful than "the internet" itself..... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #67
Again, you're trusting AI summaries known to make mistakes. You're also choosing to use AI tools highplainsdem 4 hrs ago #69
Again, I've never accessed anything on the internet... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Betty Boom 4 hrs ago #68
Thanks for your comments Betty Boom 4 hrs ago #71
You are welcome! Here on DU, even those who are a bit... reACTIONary 4 hrs ago #74
Unfortunately, I had quite an unpleasant experience to the contrary recently Betty Boom 4 hrs ago #75
The problem with AI overviews is that they're not reliable. ShazzieB 21 hrs ago #14
I think they are more reliable than some make them out to be.... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #16
There are still whoppers aplenty. cab67 18 hrs ago #38
Plain search used to do that Cirsium 21 hrs ago #18
Your experience with "plain search" and with... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #19
it isn't a matter of opinion Cirsium 21 hrs ago #20
It seems to be a subjective judgement to me.... reACTIONary 20 hrs ago #23
OK Cirsium 19 hrs ago #30
Wow! Thanks.... reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #32
Thank you Cirsium 15 hrs ago #60
I sometimes find them amusing. cab67 18 hrs ago #37
And you just admitted you have to wade through irrelevant junk... paleotn 17 hrs ago #42
Then one has to verify that it's not inaccurate slop GenThePerservering 16 hrs ago #46
How can you be sure what the agenda of the AI programmer is? Like an algorithm, it can steer us in the direction Martin68 4 hrs ago #78
You make a very good point... reACTIONary 2 hrs ago #79
I, too, usually conduct searches about scientific and other "basic facts," and have found some of the AI summaries Martin68 16 min ago #80
We were able to do it just fine (in fact, better) BEFORE this immensely destructive shit came along. Karasu 22 hrs ago #3
Yes. Search was much better before. highplainsdem 22 hrs ago #6
The quality of their searches declined significantly. hunter 19 hrs ago #27
AI "search" Be Leave On 22 hrs ago #7
Profitable, because we are a post-literate society. SouthBayDem 15 hrs ago #56
Fuck Google! caballojm 22 hrs ago #8
DuckDuckGo has an AI, but they actually allow you to completely turn it off, and they have a version of their site that Karasu 21 hrs ago #10
Same here. paleotn 17 hrs ago #43
Everyone getting those commercials claiming we need a million data centers Bengus81 21 hrs ago #9
Here's what's wrong with the massive data centers ... FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #65
Their wanting to put one up around Garden City,Ks and it's projected water use Bengus81 6 hrs ago #66
Yes many of these data centers are going up in rural areas, and lack of zoning laws is a big reason FakeNoose 4 hrs ago #76
Kick dalton99a 21 hrs ago #11
I want to know how Progressive dog 21 hrs ago #15
I have not seen contradictions, but I think vanlassie 20 hrs ago #22
I have seen something worse than a contradiction. pnwmom 20 hrs ago #24
Yea that's bad. I would never accept personal info vanlassie 19 hrs ago #28
You could find it just as easily with a 'precisely composed query' GenThePerservering 16 hrs ago #47
I've been a heavy user of the internet for many years. vanlassie 14 hrs ago #62
Even more reprehensible... GiqueCee 21 hrs ago #21
Yes. People need to realize that every single writer, visual artist, photographer, singer, musician, highplainsdem 17 hrs ago #44
Nailed it! GiqueCee 16 hrs ago #45
It's human nature to expect the biggest reward for the lowest cost. SouthBayDem 15 hrs ago #53
So the AI bros ripping off the world's intellectual property is just human nature? highplainsdem 15 hrs ago #59
Republicans will pass a law making it illegal to restrict AI search Bobstandard 20 hrs ago #25
'Almost Intelligence' trains from anything it can find (within reason, supposedly) 3825-87867 20 hrs ago #26
"Imitation Intelligence" is a good name. hunter 19 hrs ago #29
It's pretty easy to tell if Republicans are lying!--- Jack Valentino 18 hrs ago #33
I call it a fancy shorthand for Anti-Intellectualism. SouthBayDem 15 hrs ago #54
I wish this was here. Figarosmom 18 hrs ago #35
I probably don't ask complicated questions, but I find the Google AI helpful Bluetus 18 hrs ago #40
I've asked about current news events Figarosmom 18 hrs ago #41
That's an astute judge. But it goes beyond that. Bluetus 18 hrs ago #39
This is something a lot of people don't understand GenThePerservering 16 hrs ago #49
I heard a good explanation the other day Bluetus 4 hrs ago #72
very insightful. that's why hallucinations will never go away altogether. nt scipan 15 hrs ago #55
People still use Google? It's a spy agency that sells your data. I stopped ages ago. usonian 16 hrs ago #48
Type -ai at the end of your search and you'll find out how little you need AI Bengus81 7 hrs ago #63
AI regurgitates a lot of garbage and presents itself as fact. Historic NY 7 hrs ago #64
AI Chatbots reviewed by Behind the Bastards ihaveaquestion 4 hrs ago #70
Google is using AI in the same way that using an algorithm produces search results that benefit advertisers. Martin68 4 hrs ago #77
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