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79. You make a very good point...
Thu Jun 11, 2026, 01:16 PM
5 hrs ago

We can see this happening by comparing, for instance, the Chief Twit's Grok to other AI engines. He even proclaims his violations of the Overton window as a "feature, not a bug."

I'm not sure how to enforce a reasonable "Overton window" in the age of the internet, regardless of the search engine used. As you note Google and all the others use their influence over search results, AI or otherwise, for their own ends. I tend to trust organizations that are in it for the money a bit more, as opposed to those explicitly aiming for political influence. But my searches are typically for basic facts, not opinions based on the facts. The predatory habits of red shoulder hawks is probably not a big target for political manipulation.

One irony about the court ruling is that we don't actually know what the court ruling was. As explained in the article, the authors used Google to translate the ruling from the German to English! So that nefarious AI was in the loop! Who knows what malicious misrepresentation it introduced!

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Wow, this is a great ruling. I hope it holds! SunSeeker Yesterday #1
Outside of the issue of defamatory statements... reACTIONary Yesterday #2
You can find them useful. Doesn't change the fact that AI isn't necessary for the task, which these companies are all Karasu Yesterday #4
Nobody is forcing users to use AI.... reACTIONary Yesterday #13
Um..yes, they are. "Scrolling down" doesn't change that. Companies forcing the use of AI goes MUCH farther than simple Karasu Yesterday #17
Unless you check everything in the AI overview - every alleged fact, every quote, every source - you highplainsdem Yesterday #5
It's not really that hard to check it out.... reACTIONary Yesterday #12
LOL! In other words, you don't check. And it sounds as if you'd use AI overviews you hadn't bothered highplainsdem 22 hrs ago #31
If you look at a page from a "regular" web page search, do you.... reACTIONary 22 hrs ago #34
I've seen news stories including studies about the links in AI overviews often not actually leading highplainsdem 21 hrs ago #36
I'm focused on the value AI brings to .... reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #50
AI search on the internet is a parasite killing its host. There's no value in that. The errors make its highplainsdem 19 hrs ago #51
Well then, if that's the case, eventually..... reACTIONary 19 hrs ago #52
Of all the silly comparisons. Calculators would never have been widely used if they were as error-prone highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #57
I sometimes post AI search results here, and.... reACTIONary 18 hrs ago #58
The whopper is everything you've said suggesting people should trust AI results. Even AI companies highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #61
Not any less trustful than "the internet" itself..... reACTIONary 8 hrs ago #67
Again, you're trusting AI summaries known to make mistakes. You're also choosing to use AI tools highplainsdem 8 hrs ago #69
Again, I've never accessed anything on the internet... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Betty Boom 8 hrs ago #68
Thanks for your comments Betty Boom 7 hrs ago #71
You are welcome! Here on DU, even those who are a bit... reACTIONary 7 hrs ago #74
Unfortunately, I had quite an unpleasant experience to the contrary recently Betty Boom 7 hrs ago #75
The problem with AI overviews is that they're not reliable. ShazzieB Yesterday #14
I think they are more reliable than some make them out to be.... reACTIONary Yesterday #16
There are still whoppers aplenty. cab67 21 hrs ago #38
Plain search used to do that Cirsium Yesterday #18
Your experience with "plain search" and with... reACTIONary Yesterday #19
it isn't a matter of opinion Cirsium Yesterday #20
It seems to be a subjective judgement to me.... reACTIONary 23 hrs ago #23
OK Cirsium 23 hrs ago #30
Wow! Thanks.... reACTIONary 22 hrs ago #32
Thank you Cirsium 18 hrs ago #60
I sometimes find them amusing. cab67 21 hrs ago #37
And you just admitted you have to wade through irrelevant junk... paleotn 21 hrs ago #42
Then one has to verify that it's not inaccurate slop GenThePerservering 19 hrs ago #46
How can you be sure what the agenda of the AI programmer is? Like an algorithm, it can steer us in the direction Martin68 7 hrs ago #78
You make a very good point... reACTIONary 5 hrs ago #79
I, too, usually conduct searches about scientific and other "basic facts," and have found some of the AI summaries Martin68 3 hrs ago #80
We were able to do it just fine (in fact, better) BEFORE this immensely destructive shit came along. Karasu Yesterday #3
Yes. Search was much better before. highplainsdem Yesterday #6
The quality of their searches declined significantly. hunter 23 hrs ago #27
AI "search" Be Leave On Yesterday #7
Profitable, because we are a post-literate society. SouthBayDem 18 hrs ago #56
Fuck Google! caballojm Yesterday #8
DuckDuckGo has an AI, but they actually allow you to completely turn it off, and they have a version of their site that Karasu Yesterday #10
Same here. paleotn 21 hrs ago #43
Everyone getting those commercials claiming we need a million data centers Bengus81 Yesterday #9
Here's what's wrong with the massive data centers ... FakeNoose 10 hrs ago #65
Their wanting to put one up around Garden City,Ks and it's projected water use Bengus81 9 hrs ago #66
Yes many of these data centers are going up in rural areas, and lack of zoning laws is a big reason FakeNoose 7 hrs ago #76
Kick dalton99a Yesterday #11
I want to know how Progressive dog Yesterday #15
I have not seen contradictions, but I think vanlassie Yesterday #22
I have seen something worse than a contradiction. pnwmom 23 hrs ago #24
Yea that's bad. I would never accept personal info vanlassie 23 hrs ago #28
You could find it just as easily with a 'precisely composed query' GenThePerservering 19 hrs ago #47
I've been a heavy user of the internet for many years. vanlassie 17 hrs ago #62
Even more reprehensible... GiqueCee Yesterday #21
Yes. People need to realize that every single writer, visual artist, photographer, singer, musician, highplainsdem 21 hrs ago #44
Nailed it! GiqueCee 19 hrs ago #45
It's human nature to expect the biggest reward for the lowest cost. SouthBayDem 19 hrs ago #53
So the AI bros ripping off the world's intellectual property is just human nature? highplainsdem 18 hrs ago #59
Republicans will pass a law making it illegal to restrict AI search Bobstandard 23 hrs ago #25
'Almost Intelligence' trains from anything it can find (within reason, supposedly) 3825-87867 23 hrs ago #26
"Imitation Intelligence" is a good name. hunter 23 hrs ago #29
It's pretty easy to tell if Republicans are lying!--- Jack Valentino 22 hrs ago #33
I call it a fancy shorthand for Anti-Intellectualism. SouthBayDem 19 hrs ago #54
I wish this was here. Figarosmom 21 hrs ago #35
I probably don't ask complicated questions, but I find the Google AI helpful Bluetus 21 hrs ago #40
I've asked about current news events Figarosmom 21 hrs ago #41
That's an astute judge. But it goes beyond that. Bluetus 21 hrs ago #39
This is something a lot of people don't understand GenThePerservering 19 hrs ago #49
I heard a good explanation the other day Bluetus 7 hrs ago #72
very insightful. that's why hallucinations will never go away altogether. nt scipan 19 hrs ago #55
People still use Google? It's a spy agency that sells your data. I stopped ages ago. usonian 19 hrs ago #48
Type -ai at the end of your search and you'll find out how little you need AI Bengus81 11 hrs ago #63
AI regurgitates a lot of garbage and presents itself as fact. Historic NY 10 hrs ago #64
AI Chatbots reviewed by Behind the Bastards ihaveaquestion 8 hrs ago #70
Google is using AI in the same way that using an algorithm produces search results that benefit advertisers. Martin68 7 hrs ago #77
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