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Blue Nile

(12 posts)
35. Tough task
Thu Jan 17, 2013, 01:38 PM
Jan 2013

Sorry for cross-posting across threads but I had to express my feelings again

This is in my home state of Pennsylvania so it does affect me directly.Although anything is possible,I have a feeling that the window for this kind of change has probably closed in my state of PA.Prior to the last election the GOP controlled the State Senate 30-20.In the November 2012 election,the democrats picked up Senate seats in Erie,Harrisburg and Pittsburgh and the Senate is now 27-23 in favor of the GOP.In the State House of Representatives there was again a gain by the Democrats but not as large as the Senate (went from 112-91 to 110-93 in favor of GOP). This kind of tight margins make it hard for the change in law to happen easily. It will only serve to increase Democratic turnout in a non-presidential year putting a lot of GOP held seats in play. The margin in PA in the Presidential election was 5 points (52-47) and a GOP candidate with moderate appeal can still hope to win the state. President Bush got 48.5 % of the vote in 2004 and with more effort could have carried the state. Not all Democratic candidates of the future are going to be able to match President Obama's appeal.

This Bill is co-sponsored by Rep.Godshall and Rep.Seth Grove (he had introduced a similar Bill in 2009 also). The Bill is now in the State Government Committee where only one of the co-sponsors is a member (Rep.Barrar). Assuming that all the Democrats in the House unite against this-it will need 102 out of 110 House republicans to vote for this and will be a tough number to muster. The task in the Senate is much more difficult for the Republicans as the margins are very tight. The Republicans will need 26 out of 27 Senators to vote for this (By PA law-the Bill should have a clear majority for final passage and the Lt.Gov cannot cast a tie-breaking vote for final passage of a Bill). The last similar Bill introduced by Sen.Pilleggi (R-Chester) failed to make it out of committee. He has floated an alternate idea of proportional distribution but has not given any details about this and has only said he plans to introduce a Bill later.

Gov.Corbett is struggling at this time with ratings in the high 30s and although he has hedged his views on this before I am not so sure he is going to put his re-election at risk.In 2010 he won with 54% of the vote where the turnout was a hair under 4 million votes compared to almost 5.7 million votes in the 2012 presidential election. It is not in his interest to drive up Democratic voter turnout on this issue.He is trailing in polls against most Democrats polled including Kane,Sestak etc.

I did not mean this post to imply that we should drop our guard and become complacent but only to highlight that though it is possible it is far from a smooth-sailing slam-dunk. My feeling on these type of Bills in all these states is that there is 1 or 2 driven legislators who keep introducing these Bills in every session but generally fail to attract sufficient traction amongst the larger caucus.
It is not in the interests of a majority of these republican legislators to attract more attention to their districts and make re-election difficult.Also the beneficiary of this rule change is some yet unknown Presidential candidate who might still go on to lose the General election

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Rachel Maddow warned about this last night. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #1
I just wonder how this could be stopped davidpdx Jan 2013 #10
Dunno. Wish I did. nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #31
rigging elections kardonb Jan 2013 #30
This is so craven and bold. I'm dumbfounded. ballaratocker Jan 2013 #2
this is a huge threat to America samsingh Jan 2013 #3
But, but.... ReRe Jan 2013 #4
no, they are going to change for their state only reverend_tim Jan 2013 #9
But still... ReRe Jan 2013 #11
No. caseymoz Jan 2013 #13
That wouldn't be true John2 Jan 2013 #15
Which means that the SCOTUS should stop it. caseymoz Jan 2013 #34
The United States would lose ALL credibility Internationally. Period. Firebrand Gary Jan 2013 #39
Our credibility is gone. caseymoz Jan 2013 #41
But it cannot be done by Democrats dmallind Jan 2013 #56
The problem is the wording of the actual US Constitution happyslug Jan 2013 #21
Good gawd... SoapBox Jan 2013 #5
Well... Lobo27 Jan 2013 #6
Never stopped them before LiberalLovinLug Jan 2013 #44
And So it Begins AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #7
I think John2 Jan 2013 #17
What we can do here in Pensylvania........... mrmpa Jan 2013 #50
FORWARD! blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #63
rinse penis suggested something similar in WI. pansypoo53219 Jan 2013 #8
There should be a federal standard for this, otherwise national elections are compromised Democat Jan 2013 #12
Isn't this cheating, pure and simple? mwb970 Jan 2013 #14
Forget the Taliban. THIS is the enemy. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #64
After 2000 who can blame them? RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #16
Yep. "Bi-partisanship" only goes 1 way in DC. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #65
The GOP attempt t gerrymander presidential elections is IMPORTANT. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #18
Extremely Blasphemer Jan 2013 #37
If the Electoral College is to be ABUSED by the GOP, perhaps it is time to end it. Faryn Balyncd Jan 2013 #53
Why aren't they under arrest MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #19
Because they didn't do anything illegal. bobclark86 Jan 2013 #22
dammit MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #24
Agree with you there... AsahinaKimi Jan 2013 #43
I spell futility with an F U. Coyotl Jan 2013 #20
I had gotten wind of this a few weeks after the election, if you can't win CHEAT- cecilfirefox Jan 2013 #23
PA Problems Skee Jan 2013 #25
Aw, crap. grntuscarora Jan 2013 #26
He doesn't have to pay any attention Skee Jan 2013 #27
Actually, we're so rural grntuscarora Jan 2013 #28
In Philadelphia Skee Jan 2013 #29
Can be fixed. GOTV for SecState, replace the blackboxes, kick the GOP out of the gov seat. Sirveri Jan 2013 #55
This needs to be labeled in public as "They want to rigged the elections" LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #32
Dems just won all state level row offices. CANDO Jan 2013 #33
DEM's never really "win." They just lose LESS. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #66
Tough task Blue Nile Jan 2013 #35
Pennsylvania? Skee Jan 2013 #51
2014 is going to be very important. marezdotes Jan 2013 #36
Make it each state's Senatorial district and I'd be ok with that. Roland99 Jan 2013 #38
K&R FreeBC Jan 2013 #40
I suspect that the end result would actually be beneficial... brooklynite Jan 2013 #42
The scary thing about this is Hawaii Hiker Jan 2013 #45
Yup. If This Passes in the Swing States, It's Checkmate, Game Over, They Win Forever AndyTiedye Jan 2013 #54
Stop sweating Blue Nile Jan 2013 #46
Don't underestimate them. illegaloperation Jan 2013 #48
There is nothing that is too low for Pennsylvania Republicans to try. blue neen Jan 2013 #52
There is nothing too low for Republicans to try. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #67
Pennsylvania has a Democratic State Attorney General illegaloperation Jan 2013 #47
It's time to charge these guys with crimes. DOJ, Holder, Let's GO! Dont call me Shirley Jan 2013 #49
Holder's too busy with the phony "War on Drugs" to be bothered with GOP election rigging. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #68
Anyone supporting this bill would be in violation of their oath of office regarding the will of the rasputinkhlyst Jan 2013 #57
This is the easy way to win the White House jmowreader Jan 2013 #58
There are already two states that aren't winner take all. Nebraska and Maine divide their electoral 24601 Jan 2013 #59
Like MI. and WI. two presidential blue states. with repub majorities in both houses.... Great Caesars Ghost Jan 2013 #60
If every state did this, it would also force candidates to campaign in the big states 24601 Jan 2013 #61
PA, OH, FL, WI, MI ... blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #62
I wonder does daybranch Jan 2013 #69
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