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125. It is a varmint round - not everyone hunts larger game.

Thu Jan 17, 2013, 05:19 PM

Jan 2013

but if I wanted to shoot deer, I would simply get an AR-15 chambered for 6.8mm. Or an AR-10 chambered in 7.62.

As for the rest, I don't think you have kept up with modern weapons.

AR-15s are a standard for competitive target shooting - they became common because people win with them.

I have never shot a bolt action rifle where I could adjust it's physical configuration to fit my body. And the pistol grip is much more ergonomic to shoot - why do you think it was adopted so quickly once rifle makers were able to mold rifle furniture instead of carving it?

Our rifles very seldom jam - I can't remember the last time it happened during competition. And if they do we clear them. Including my wife and daughter.

You are wrong. They are modern rifles - period. They are perfectly suited for hunting and target shooting - the fact that so many people actually use them for that purpose should tell you something.

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Sen. Al Franken Raises Doubts About Support For Assault Weapons Ban [View all] DonViejo Jan 2013 OP

WWPWD? SHRED Jan 2013 #1

Somewhat serious answer? karynnj Jan 2013 #3

time for Minnesotans to get on the phone I guess ... rtassi Jan 2013 #4

Indeed. Undaunted Jan 2013 #66

Sounds like many of them already have do so Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #78

yes 2pooped2pop Jan 2013 #103

He's not Paul Wellstone WI_DEM Jan 2013 #8

I think because Paul was a friend, mentor and inspiration to Al. progressoid Jan 2013 #36

Wellstone would do what Franken is doing: listening to constituents johnfunk Jan 2013 #11

I wish posters would quote the original source OKNancy Jan 2013 #2

I agree davidpdx Jan 2013 #6

I usually do post the link to the original story, Nancy... DonViejo Jan 2013 #7

I know... you are a valued poster OKNancy Jan 2013 #17

There are about a dozen Democratic Senators that may oppose the AWB hack89 Jan 2013 #5

Don't support AWB? No money from me next time, Al. Get it from your CONSERVATIVE supporters. MotherPetrie Jan 2013 #9

Battle Stations! TOLL FREE! calimary Jan 2013 #10

Actually, "our" politicians dotymed Jan 2013 #12

Good point -- actually doing the job HIS VOTERS sent him there to do. An anomaly, sadly. gateley Jan 2013 #35

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #82

Agreed. Good post. WhoWoodaKnew Jan 2013 #134

That's the problem. Many politicians aren't ready to stand up for what is right... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #162

Maybe he just thinks federal bans of any sort are a bad idea Ter Jan 2013 #13

ATF or FDA? DreWId Jan 2013 #74

IMO, yes Ter Jan 2013 #131

That really surprises me! daschess1987 Jan 2013 #14

How DARE he be undecided jberryhill Jan 2013 #15

Well said. Thanks. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #28

As far as I can see it isn't saying one way or another /nt still_one Jan 2013 #16

Im sorry, but I do not agree James48 Jan 2013 #18

Well, maybe then butterflygirl Jan 2013 #45

I'm with ya, James. appal_jack Jan 2013 #52

The ban was just SO AWFUL when it was in effect! AlbertCat Jan 2013 #19

LOL. I bet it affects gun stores. Without "assault/tactical" weapons to pique yahoos' interests, Hoyt Jan 2013 #22

Perhaps he doesn't want to commit political suicide hack89 Jan 2013 #24

Perhaps he doesn't want to commit political suicide AlbertCat Jan 2013 #25

This line of thinking is why we got DOMA and the Iraq War... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #161

The question is not awfulness. krispos42 Jan 2013 #38

Now, every person that warned that Obama would be moving on gun control once he was elected for his AlbertCat Jan 2013 #50

I'm afraid it's not just the nut fringe minority NickB79 Jan 2013 #137

So: We Should Tailor Our Policies Down To The Level Of Gun Activist-Spawned Paranoia? Paladin Jan 2013 #141

No, that's not what I'm suggesting NickB79 Jan 2013 #142

Let Me Stop You, Right There. Paladin Jan 2013 #145

If they don't like/respect the law, lock them up for breaking it. Simple. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #150

The for profit prison industry thanks you for your support FrodosPet Jan 2013 #160

So you don't believe in the rule of law? nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #164

I believe in the rule of law FrodosPet Jan 2013 #165

1000s of right wing gun nuts thank you for your opinions. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #166

Well done. AWB ban only imposes cosmetic differences -- does not affect lethality. immoderate Jan 2013 #55

why does ANY congressman think assault weapons are fine? Are we in a civil war now? wordpix Jan 2013 #20

Midwestern Senators have to be careful on this. JVS Jan 2013 #21

Is there some benign purpose for assault weapons that I am not aware of? LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #23

It is merely a rifle hack89 Jan 2013 #26

A Bushmaster AR-15 .223 Is A "Hunting Rifle"....... Paladin Jan 2013 #29

Why not? Put a 5 round mag on it as required by law hack89 Jan 2013 #31

Your side is the one that's hung up on cosmetics. Paladin Jan 2013 #37

Would you ban the Mini-14? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #39

Aw, A Feeble Attempt At A Trick Question. How Sweet. Paladin Jan 2013 #47

Not a trick question. Merely shows the futility of banning weapons based on appearance. hack89 Jan 2013 #56

I like the wooden stock sir pball Jan 2013 #48

I use my AR-15 for shooting coyotes nick of time Jan 2013 #33

That is incredibly dangerous...and expensive. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #63

I've had the same box of .223 for years now. nick of time Jan 2013 #65

Claims that the AR-15 is used for hunting is NRA propaganda. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #67

Call bullshit all you want. nick of time Jan 2013 #70

I already answered your question. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #73

Have you even read my posts? nick of time Jan 2013 #76

He very well could be a troll, but nothing he is saying so far is wrong. Socal31 Jan 2013 #136

The .223 Rem. round is ideal NickB79 Jan 2013 #139

A .22LR is a piss-poor choice for shooting coyotes NickB79 Jan 2013 #138

I have never been concerned about an actual AWB passing hack89 Jan 2013 #34

What's So Surprising About This? Paladin Jan 2013 #41

I have been hearing that for years - not concerned hack89 Jan 2013 #42

Yeah, Keep That Optimistic Attitude, By All Means. Paladin Jan 2013 #46

You sound like those folks railing against Roe v Wade. hack89 Jan 2013 #58

Tell You What: Let's Talk About What I DON'T Sound Like. Paladin Jan 2013 #95

Yet I bet you and I see eye to eye on many progressive issues hack89 Jan 2013 #98

There you had a nice, respectful post going, something potentially constructive..... Paladin Jan 2013 #105

You really work hard at being offended, don't you? hack89 Jan 2013 #106

gee, you say that to all the girls BainsBane Jan 2013 #154

I unfortunately have been known to sink to the level of my opponents hack89 Jan 2013 #155

but what would you have to post about? BainsBane Jan 2013 #156

Does it matter? hack89 Jan 2013 #157

It is not "merely a rifle." SunSeeker Jan 2013 #64

There are many other rounds that are much more powerful then a 5.56mm hack89 Jan 2013 #69

You don't put a 30-round magazine on a deer rifle. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #71

So implement a ban on large mags. nt hack89 Jan 2013 #72

That too. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #75

So you want to ban all semi-automatic rifles? hack89 Jan 2013 #77

What do you mean "not military style"? nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #83

There are many civilian semi-automatic weapons hack89 Jan 2013 #85

100-year-old rifles are not the problem. nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #89

100 year old semi auto rifles work the same way as a modern semi auto rifle. nick of time Jan 2013 #92

They don't shoot with the same energy nor can you pop a 30-round mag in them. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #94

Not quite a 100 years old. nick of time Jan 2013 #99

That's talking about machine guns. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #100

Whatever. nick of time Jan 2013 #102

Link(s)? nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #108

Here. nick of time Jan 2013 #110

Seeing that it's fed by a "detachable box magazine," it should be illegal, IMO. nt SunSeeker Jan 2013 #112

I won't disagree with you there. nick of time Jan 2013 #113

Did you happen to go to the pdf manual for that rifle? Prog_gun_owner Jan 2013 #146

I see you joined DU to troll this post. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #148

"They don't shoot with the same energy" EX500rider Jan 2013 #104

"BS"? Seriously? Well, here's your link. Can't believe you didn't already know about this.... SunSeeker Jan 2013 #107

Did I say it wasn't doable? EX500rider Jan 2013 #116

All assault rifles should be illegal for civilians to possess. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #118

That part is regulated as a machine gun NickB79 Jan 2013 #140

My step dad took a nail file to a 1940's German Luger Pistol. Prog_gun_owner Jan 2013 #147

Research the Remington Model 8 semi-auto rifle NickB79 Jan 2013 #144

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #149

I am talking about the technology being 100 years old. hack89 Jan 2013 #96

You are better off target shooting with 22lr and hunting with 30-06 Ash_F Jan 2013 #120

I disagree hack89 Jan 2013 #121

OK, then use .222 with the bolt action rifles with which they are common Ash_F Jan 2013 #122

It is perfect for target shooting and hunting hack89 Jan 2013 #123

Well for one thing, .223 doesn't have the killing power to bring down game(Deer and bigger) humanley Ash_F Jan 2013 #124

It is a varmint round - not everyone hunts larger game. hack89 Jan 2013 #125

It's popular because of military fetishism Ash_F Jan 2013 #126

Every rifle is basically a military rifle at heart hack89 Jan 2013 #127

it is also popular Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #130

Self defense is about killing people krispos42 Jan 2013 #43

????? bongbong Jan 2013 #53

You should always keep the possibility of lethal force present in your mind NickB79 Jan 2013 #143

Not a gun advocate (wish we could live like UK or Japan) but nevertheless feel that you make good grantcart Jan 2013 #158

I feel the following. krispos42 Jan 2013 #159

That's the thing about the Constitution - rights aren't about needs. Why does any individual need 24601 Jan 2013 #152

Perhaps he wants to see the specifics of the bill before making a decision Marrah_G Jan 2013 #27

What you said. nick of time Jan 2013 #32

Sounds like Al is considering a run for higher office. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #30

Sounds like he simply values his job sir pball Jan 2013 #51

Either way. As Rachel Maddow would say, "He is triangulating his position." Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #57

Or simply trying to keep his current one. He is up for reelection next year. Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #79

That's his choice but disappointing. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #84

These new restriction are going to die the House anyway, so why Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #87

I think it's called leadership. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #88

If enough Democrats in the Senate do this, there will be new 'leadership' in the Senate in 2015 Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #90

This is a bit circular, isn't it? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #91

But what if his constituents are against what he believes in. nick of time Jan 2013 #93

Are they? Was Al Franken elected because he is known to be a capitulating centrist? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #97

But that doesn't answer. nick of time Jan 2013 #101

He is under no such obligation. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #109

He's under no such obligation to vote how his constituents want him to vote? nick of time Jan 2013 #111

Leaders lead. They don't take polls to make decisions. Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #114

You're seriously saying that elected leaders have no obligation nick of time Jan 2013 #115

Not all the time. How many times have I said this? Buzz Clik Jan 2013 #117

Ok. nick of time Jan 2013 #119

Sounds like everyone should contact Sen. Franken. nt Pale Blue Dot Jan 2013 #40

The message I'm getting from the pro assault weapons posters here is that LibDemAlways Jan 2013 #44

+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #54

An AWB ban does not make children safer in the classroom. immoderate Jan 2013 #59

This is why an AWB is tricky business Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #86

Supporters of that ban need to be better educated on the topic madville Jan 2013 #128

I have a handgun. I bought a 20 and a 30 round mag before the first AWB immoderate Jan 2013 #129

That's the most depressing thing I've heard so far today. SunSeeker Jan 2013 #49

The part of the effort that bothers me is the regulation around mental health Android3.14 Jan 2013 #60

Yes, it is very creepy. amandabeech Jan 2013 #163

Sen Franken has a lot of nerve Lurks Often Jan 2013 #61

Franken Clarifies: I Support A Reinstatement Of Assault Weapons Ban jeff47 Jan 2013 #62

Mr. SOPA moron himself. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #68

Not quite. His spokesperson didn't mzmolly Jan 2013 #80

Vague term, better to regulate actual things... Deep13 Jan 2013 #81

i thought he was more enlightened than that samsingh Jan 2013 #132

SamSingh... DonViejo Jan 2013 #133

oh - thank you - he is more enlightened! samsingh Jan 2013 #135

My support for Al Franken is at an end, and I will phone/email my MN friends. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #151

I'll make sure to call Franken on Tuesday BainsBane Jan 2013 #153

Et tu, senator Franken? Politicub Jan 2013 #167

see post 132 above... DonViejo Jan 2013 #168

Has Franken lost his mind?! nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #169

It is a badly conceived law that won't accomplish a reduction in gun violence aikoaiko Mar 2013 #170