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59. If an FFL is selling ANY gun, he must perform a background check

Sun Jan 20, 2013, 02:18 AM

Jan 2013

It doesn't matter if it's in his store, at a gun show, or in his garage. The law says he must call the NICS hotline and get the OK to sell that gun. And since the majority of gun show booths are set up by FFL dealers, they are required to perform background checks.

If you take a walk around a gunshow, you'll see sellers pulling out cellphones and Form 4473 paperwork left and right to call the ATF number. If you are buying from a licensed dealer, they are most definitely not treated as private sales, as you attest.

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Feds Investigating Felonious Gun Nut [View all] Galraedia Jan 2013 OP

I suspect most gun nutters are perfectly ok with this guy having that arsenal. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #1

not so donnasgirl Jan 2013 #9

Better regulation would help to keep guns out of the black market. n/t pnwmom Jan 2013 #10

OK donnasgirl Jan 2013 #11

By regulating the transfer, at every point on the distribution chain, pnwmom Jan 2013 #13

To say nothing of the fact that a gun black market would have significant logistical difficulties. Aristus Jan 2013 #67

A good start would be regulating the manufacture of any and all guns. RC Jan 2013 #47

So the government decides how many guns will be made every year? nt hack89 Jan 2013 #86

And what kind? RC Jan 2013 #88

And when a republican is President he gets to decide how many and what kind? hack89 Jan 2013 #89

So we should not do anything? RC Jan 2013 #90

That is a childish argument hack89 Jan 2013 #93

Yeah RantinRavin Jan 2013 #12

It's easier to produce drugs at home and sell them than it is to produce guns. n/t pnwmom Jan 2013 #14

Who needs to produce RantinRavin Jan 2013 #15

The guns won't do much without ammo, which will run out sooner pnwmom Jan 2013 #44

I have to say, I still smile when I think of Chris Rock's solution... primavera Jan 2013 #54

He must have done something krhines Jan 2013 #117

Reloading mr.ed Jan 2013 #74

Wonder how long it would take paleotn Jan 2013 #80

$50,000 for a pound of powder. Simple. n/t A Simple Game Jan 2013 #83

It is easy to make ammo. One would have to regulate those items too. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2013 #94

I am donnasgirl Jan 2013 #18

So, your name is donnagirl... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #42

If tour that nosey donnasgirl Jan 2013 #103

a girl who fought for us in Vietnam at age 17? Jeeze, get a better story, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2013 #55

I was in Sang Bang Dang Gong... Kolesar Jan 2013 #82

Your ignorance donnasgirl Jan 2013 #104

I don't know where that came from Mr. Catagory eom Kolesar Jan 2013 #105

No one here hates vets... awoke_in_2003 Jan 2013 #108

OTOH, it has done a great job at keeping autos and trucks identified. mbperrin Jan 2013 #19

Well said. AllyCat Jan 2013 #63

Actually, they have jeff47 Jan 2013 #106

We have laws donnasgirl Jan 2013 #16

So any law that's not 100% effective should be dumped? mbperrin Jan 2013 #20

It's not donnasgirl Jan 2013 #22

No problem with owning a gun. I just think it ought to be watched at least as closely mbperrin Jan 2013 #24

mbperrin donnasgirl Jan 2013 #27

And no one was ever injured by an antibiotic that I heard of. AlbertCat Jan 2013 #32

Vietnam had nothing to do with preserving America's freedoms. That is rhetoric. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #25

When we were kids donnasgirl Jan 2013 #28

When you were a child, you thought as a child. Proletariatprincess Jan 2013 #61

Why wouldn't you use your rights to ask Why you are going to war ? JI7 Jan 2013 #69

Bravo Comrade! Proletariatprincess Jan 2013 #62

All that matters is that she was fighting for this Country, oldbanjo Jan 2013 #78

What did the Vietnam war have to do with "my rights"? xtraxritical Jan 2013 #41

Ho Ch� Minh was gonna take away your guns, cancel "Gilligan's Island", and make you wear... Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jan 2013 #72

Thanks Tom, I needed that ! xtraxritical Jan 2013 #85

Your right, where I live the same people are arrested for stealing oldbanjo Jan 2013 #77

So we should just get rid of laws that people break, and not pass any more? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #79

You, by definition, are NOT a gun nutter, my dear. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #29

By all accounts I'd say you aren't a gun nut madokie Jan 2013 #73

Your right, taking the guns from the good guys will oldbanjo Jan 2013 #75

I don't concider myself a "gun nut" Prog_gun_owner Jan 2013 #64

That is ludicrous and offensive as hell Demo_Chris Jan 2013 #81

Sends chills down your spine shenmue Jan 2013 #2

We have no way . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #7

He was probably a straw purchaser re-selling them too. BumRushDaShow Jan 2013 #3

find out where he got them Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #4

How do we enforce them when the NRA made sure there was no ATF head, no info sharing, no research? SunSeeker Jan 2013 #17

I have no issues with the executive orders Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #30

Then why do you suggest that new laws would not have stopped this? SunSeeker Jan 2013 #34

maybe if we enforced esisting laws Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #102

Why did the State of Ohio grant a felon a license to open a store that likely sold guns? freshwest Jan 2013 #5

There are LOTS of sporting goods stores that do not sell firearms. Jenoch Jan 2013 #36

That's not the point. Note I said 'likely' not 'certainly' or 'all sporting goods stores.' freshwest Jan 2013 #39

I'm sure an investigation will Jenoch Jan 2013 #45

Yes, 4 trailer truckloads of guns is enough for many people to hold at once. He intended mayhem. freshwest Jan 2013 #48

I guess he had credit . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #6

What gunshow? Jenoch Jan 2013 #37

Gun shows are the easiest . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #43

Where at a gunshow do these transactions take place? Jenoch Jan 2013 #49

Gun shows are regulated . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #50

If an FFL is selling ANY gun, he must perform a background check NickB79 Jan 2013 #59

He's happy in his ignorance. nt naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #96

any vender at a gunshow Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #60

All of them. Prog_gun_owner Jan 2013 #68

How many gun shows have you attended Jenoch Jan 2013 #109

But? atreides1 Jan 2013 #8

Who has disagreed with enforcing current law? Gun laws anyway as I get the feeling that many here 24601 Jan 2013 #21

The problem is guns, Troll . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #26

on this I also disagree with you Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #31

Don't act like a Troll . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #40

He's a model repubLIEcon. penndragon69 Jan 2013 #23

Trace the guns, arrest the sellers. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #33

I support making it mandatory for Jenoch Jan 2013 #35

Mandatory background checks . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #46

Where are you getting your information? Jenoch Jan 2013 #51

Gun shows are wide open free-for-alls. another_liberal Jan 2013 #52

I have never been a member of the NRA. Jenoch Jan 2013 #53

"Isn't it pretty . . .?" another_liberal Jan 2013 #71

Not the few I've attended NickB79 Jan 2013 #57

I'll trust every unbiased, actual news source . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #70

How about posting a link Jenoch Jan 2013 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jan 2013 #112

No, I've never been in a comma. Jenoch Jan 2013 #113

This message was self-deleted by its author another_liberal Jan 2013 #114

I've heard people like you making such claims, sure. Jenoch Jan 2013 #115

Toward the end of our exchange . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #116

Thank you for the links. Jenoch Jan 2013 #118

I doubt if "biased" is the right word . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #119

Ok. Substitute the word 'objective'. Jenoch Jan 2013 #120

Yes, "objective" . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #121

The law is exactly the same inside a gun show as it is outside hack89 Jan 2013 #87

Yeah, except the law isn't enforced . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #91

So give the ATF the resources they need to enforce the law. hack89 Jan 2013 #92

You'll get . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #97

That is an incorrect statement naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #95

That is the law . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #98

Well naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #99

The point you made . . . another_liberal Jan 2013 #100

actually, naaman fletcher Jan 2013 #101

Here, lemme help jeff47 Jan 2013 #107

You won't get an argument Jenoch Jan 2013 #111

disgusting samsingh Jan 2013 #38

Lets estimate $.50 a round. That's $20k in ammo alone. bluerum Jan 2013 #56

I'd guess drug running was in there somewhere NickB79 Jan 2013 #58

You don't have to buy it all at once. ManiacJoe Jan 2013 #65

True. But I suspect he was into black market sales. bluerum Jan 2013 #84

That'll confuse a bagger that's only capable of thinking what it gits learnt to think by brewens Jan 2013 #76