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marble falls

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30. No doubt, spycraft has been around for a long time. My personal feeling about Luciano ...
Wed Jan 23, 2013, 11:36 PM
Jan 2013

is he reached out to the gov't explaining that he had control of the ports and docks and was in a good position to not only watch for saboteurs but also the muscle required to do something about it and he also had some influence on Mafia partisans in Italy that could help deal with extremely tough German defense. And he was deported. A good deal, I'd say.

Situations may cause some questionable allies. I think WWII qualifies a situation that called for the unique abilities of some questionable sorts - Mao, Stalin, the Shah's father comes to mind. And some of these other sorts had access to Heroin and the marketing of it. But I also don't think the OSS or CIA had any much to do with it other than say in Afghanistan we overlooked the Northern Alliance funding itself with opium. We overlook Karzai's drug dealing brother, right now. Is that the CIA? Or is that the official policy at least defacto policy of the US. CIA is not a policy organization. It is not autonomous. It is an instrument of the gov't. It doesn't set policy, it is an instrument of policy.

My wife is a nice lady. I like her lots. But CIA subverts nothing it isn't ordered to subvert. And a lot of the secret armies are made up of active duty personnel.

Frankly the mercenary armies we call "contractors" bother me a lot more. Why is it I wonder after Congress went through Iran/Contra and people were put in jail and disgraced, what they only reported for financing was selling missile parts to Iran to raise money for the Contras. $10M was raised in what I believe was one of the few instances where the US sold arms at a profit for itself. To put that $10M into perspective, the British, the French and the Russians sold $1.5 billion in arms at the same time. We won't discuss the assassinations the Sandanistas committed while coming into power or the fact that when the Sananistas allowed free elections, they were voted out. Thats not suppositions, that's facts.

When dealing with a lot of the accusations made against Langley, I try to apply Ocham's razor. Blaming the CIA for drug use or availability of drugs in the US as a reality or the result of rogue operations to fund other operations just as rogue just doesn't make the cut.

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The belief that executing someone will make your society better Piazza Riforma Jan 2013 #1
not so. the belief is that the executed person will not quadrature Jan 2013 #11
Personally I oppose capital punishment for all crimes Piazza Riforma Jan 2013 #17
If it was a diplomat or CIA dotymed Jan 2013 #2
Ummm, OK... elias7 Jan 2013 #3
Diplomats are usually granted immunity Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #4
How much of a 'threat' are drug smuggling ambassadors? marble falls Jan 2013 #5
No more or less a threat than any drug mule ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #7
True and the reason is that it protects all countries diplomats from harrasment karynnj Jan 2013 #8
Of course, diplomats aren't subject to searches at customs inspections Art_from_Ark Jan 2013 #9
It is insulting that you think that means that they would risk the disgrace karynnj Jan 2013 #10
Yes I am. dotymed Jan 2013 #19
then provide links, honey. You seem to think diplomatic immunity shouldn't exist. cali Jan 2013 #34
As my wife spent 30 years with CIA, I find your situational ethics as troubling as that of any ... marble falls Jan 2013 #6
I would find the situational ethics of the CIA even more troubling Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #12
Ducking your foibles and responsibilities by casting aspersions on others you know nothing about? marble falls Jan 2013 #14
I am not casting aspertions on your wife, but the CIA as an insitution has a decidedly... Tom Ripley Jan 2013 #32
There is ample accusation and precious little to show for it. Have there been turncoats and .... marble falls Jan 2013 #33
Drug dealers are scumbags, give "grams" a few years in a shitty prison, she deserves it. toby jo Jan 2013 #13
Its not the CIA, its everybody willing to use the excuse of "they're worse" for their own irrational marble falls Jan 2013 #15
I didn't open this thread expecting to comment about the CIA DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2013 #16
What do you know of "murderous fucks"? You know nothing. How dare you make such slanderous and ..... marble falls Jan 2013 #18
DisgustedinCa dotymed Jan 2013 #21
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #23
Don't let the facts interfere with your misconceptions, ace. The CIA did nothing on its own .... marble falls Jan 2013 #24
Hey Marble... dotymed Jan 2013 #22
From Wikipedia: marble falls Jan 2013 #35
You think the death penalty for drug smuggling is OK? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2013 #27
Really? Maybe you should google CIA drug smuggling. dotymed Jan 2013 #20
Who smuggles in your drugs? Maybe you'd like to point out sources other than conspiracy nuts. Show.. marble falls Jan 2013 #25
CIA involvement in drug smuggling has been well-documented. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #26
No proof, lots of conjecture. Thankyou, however, for your civil responses. marble falls Jan 2013 #28
The proof is out there. You just have to read it. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #29
No doubt, spycraft has been around for a long time. My personal feeling about Luciano ... marble falls Jan 2013 #30
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