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41. That is part of the point

Fri Jan 25, 2013, 06:51 PM

Jan 2013

Why is the push always for just gun control when there are no mental health services available? If we invested in a system and changed the laws that provided help to the mentally ill and identified them so they could be placed in the national instant check system we would all be better off. They should also be provided with help regardless of income.

The shooter in CO said enough to his psychiatrist that she contacted the university for help to deal with this nut job. But, when he dropped out of school she just dropped the issue instead of calling the police.

The VT shooter should have been judged mentally adjunt during his trial before the shootings and prohibited from owning firearms.

The shooter in AZ was known to his parents as being crazy. So, when their son bought a gun they called the police only to be told there was nothing they could do unless he committed a crime. Being crazy with a gun is not currently a crime.

Parents need help with their mentally ill children (even if the are not dangerous), and (in the case of the CT shooter) recognize that they can't always control their kids.

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Assault Weapons Ban Lacks Democratic Votes to Pass Senate [View all] Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 OP

Helping the GOP Turbineguy Jan 2013 #1

Look at the Senate Dems up for reelection in 2014 hack89 Jan 2013 #2

Especially if the bill is only going to die in the House anyway Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #3

Strongly agree. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #4

It's all fluff because no one stands up for anything anymore anyway (say that three times fast). Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #6

It's fluff because the AWB only changes the cosemtics SpartanDem Jan 2013 #10

It doesn't matter what the AWB does... Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #19

Okay, that's a fair point. Lizzie Poppet Jan 2013 #24

I think it's symbolic of a larger problem. Drunken Irishman Jan 2013 #32

And the rightward march because none have the balls to stand up against anyone and say RKP5637 Jan 2013 #53

You guys are hilarious pscot Jan 2013 #27

Tomorrow, I tell ya! We'll pass that librul agenda! Tomorrow! chimpymustgo Jan 2013 #40

After Reid's capitulation on filibuster reform, I'm inclined to agree n/t markpkessinger Jan 2013 #47

They handed it to them yesterday ... earthside Jan 2013 #29

Can't Do Anything LeFleur1 Jan 2013 #36

Congress, I give them about a 2 percent approval rating and that is being kind. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #54

If they actually gave a tinker's damn about THE PEOPLE they would vote for the gun ban, kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #77

Gun owners are THE PEOPLE too hack89 Jan 2013 #83

Gun nutters are a tiny minority. They just have big fat mouths kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #90

And there is the large group of responsible gun owners hack89 Jan 2013 #91

As evidenced by the near certain failure of passing an AWB nick of time Jan 2013 #92

Still.. WTH! WTH good are Assualt Weapons like the one that Cha Jan 2013 #5

I use mine on my farm to shoot coyotes that go after my chickens and ducks. nick of time Jan 2013 #8

When you shoot at coyotes, how many have you seen attacking as a pack? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #37

The most I've ever seen together is 2 nick of time Jan 2013 #50

I think there's pretty broad agreement on limiting magazine sizes here Recursion Jan 2013 #85

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #49

Stop spreading lies jberryhill Jan 2013 #51

Correct a semi-automatic rifle Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #57

Do you pack a gun when off the farm? Hoyt Jan 2013 #79

No. nick of time Jan 2013 #87

Why would anyone? Hoyt Jan 2013 #88

There's lots of reasons, nick of time Jan 2013 #89

Not surprising...can DU GD put a "pin" on a thread used solely for listings and comments on libdem4life Jan 2013 #7

Just goes to show you.... SIBIndi Jan 2013 #9

Nope, they also give a damn about $$$$$ in their back pockets, their inflated egos and RKP5637 Jan 2013 #56

It depends on the courage of Americans Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #11

Especially the ones in Congress. nt bemildred Jan 2013 #12

Let's just hand control over to the repukes. nick of time Jan 2013 #13

Those who are against an assult weapons bans are also against Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #15

Not true. nick of time Jan 2013 #20

You must have miised the news a few years ago about the ACA and what certain Senate Dems were doing Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #23

They were voting what their constituents want. nick of time Jan 2013 #25

the "voting what their constituents want" excuse went out the door.. frylock Jan 2013 #30

IWR? nick of time Jan 2013 #33

iraq war resolution.. frylock Jan 2013 #34

You've got a good point there. nick of time Jan 2013 #35

Of course not, they rotate responsibility for blocking progress Fumesucker Jan 2013 #43

Absolutely not true- n/t forthemiddle Jan 2013 #69

Boo-Hissss!!! Senate is FUBAR w/out meaningful filibuster reform. 99th_Monkey Jan 2013 #14

It's not even a true ban. nick of time Jan 2013 #17

Gee, what a surprise NV Whino Jan 2013 #16

The blueification of the country will eventually overcome. onehandle Jan 2013 #18

The problem is though would any such ban survive a SCOTUS challenge? cstanleytech Jan 2013 #21

That's a damn good sensible approach. nick of time Jan 2013 #22

there are still some spineless democrats samsingh Jan 2013 #26

It's only the beginning. This takes awhile. upaloopa Jan 2013 #28

And in a few months, no one will be talking about it at all davidn3600 Jan 2013 #62

until the next slaughter, and then they'll talk again until they conveniently "forget" wordpix Jan 2013 #64

Cowards will never do the right thing. Lint Head Jan 2013 #31

You know, maybe it IS time to move on demwing Jan 2013 #38

Canada would be the closest choice or any country in Western Europe Lesmoderesstupides Jan 2013 #44

Giving Up Again, Are We? Paladin Jan 2013 #39

That is part of the point hp6 Jan 2013 #41

Some kind of 'national database' for the 'mentally ill' is absurd and would be a remarkable setback RiverNoord Jan 2013 #61

THe NICS database already has provisions for the mentally ill Lurks Often Jan 2013 #65

deemed incompetent or committed to a mental hospital involuntarily is radically RiverNoord Jan 2013 #67

I'm not sure I fully follow your second paragraph Lurks Often Jan 2013 #70

Sorry - I wrote it when I was pretty tired. Here's what I mean... RiverNoord Jan 2013 #71

It does and here are my responses: Lurks Often Jan 2013 #72

A temporary list is a permanent list... RiverNoord Jan 2013 #73

My response: Lurks Often Jan 2013 #75

I agree that group punishment for the acts of a few... RiverNoord Jan 2013 #80

No we shouldn't let people drink and drive Lurks Often Jan 2013 #82

Agreed geomon666 Jan 2013 #42

Here are the 6 Iwillnevergiveup Jan 2013 #45

What part of "pro-gun states" do you not understand? Freddie Stubbs Jan 2013 #46

Agreed- but remember, you're fighting against the 'false consensus effect': friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #48

these Democrats should inform their constituents about the difference between wordpix Jan 2013 #58

is this a hunting rifle? Duckhunter935 Jan 2013 #78

No, the problem is that the base imagines there is a difference, when there isn't Recursion Jan 2013 #86

Disappointed that Hagan is absent from this list. appal_jack Jan 2013 #60

Hey, why don't we just give everyone/anyone their own personal nuke and be done with it all! RKP5637 Jan 2013 #52

I really, really dislike Republican politicians, so if we are going to risk seats, ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #55

So ineffective pablum might not be passed after all? krispos42 Jan 2013 #59

Electing more progressives in 2012 got us no where davidpdx Jan 2013 #63

Uhh, ObamaCare? (Just kidding.) alp227 Jan 2013 #66

Yeah that's what I'm afraid of it's going to be business as usual davidpdx Jan 2013 #68

Informed opinion wins again. Imagine. n/t Blandocyte Jan 2013 #74

Fine. America wants more and more senseless gun murders. kestrel91316 Jan 2013 #76

We just can't get enough slaughter of innocents and children, can we? Keep the blood flowing! Kablooie Jan 2013 #81

Good. Now hopefully we can turn towards legislation that actually does something Recursion Jan 2013 #84

Gun control, filibuster reform, Doctor_J Jan 2013 #93

I find it ironic as hell nick of time Jan 2013 #94