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217. That would be the optimal solution, if it could be done IMHO ...

Wed Jan 30, 2013, 11:59 PM

Jan 2013

The problem is, it can't. Therefore, we have to make compromises because it's not fair/safe for only the criminals (amongst the general populace) to have the guns ... which is what would happen if we just outlawed them outright w/o having the means and will to actually take every single one of them away.

But if your argument is we'll all automatically be repressed if it were the situation (i.e. only the 'government' had the guns) I'd just point to the dozens of first and second world countries where that is exactly the case ... yet people are not being repressed any more than we are here with our 300,000,000 firearms in private hands.

IMHO you have to either be a gun fetishist or generally prone to irrational beliefs to conclude that our 300M guns in private hands are the 'source' of our 'liberty' in this country. There's simply WAAAAY too many other free countries where almost nobody has guns outside the government.

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15-year-old girl who performed at Obama inauguration gunned down in Chicago [View all] Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 OP

Repeal the second amendment NOW CBGLuthier Jan 2013 #1

Yes to this^^^^^^Every person who owns a gun owns this girls death! Walk away Jan 2013 #6

Writers who abuse hyperbole deserve to be taken out and shot. slackmaster Jan 2013 #16

No, put them on the confiscation team. Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #24

Lots of responses from the Gun Lobby. Even one that wants to shoot me! Walk away Jan 2013 #32

Honestly MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #46

Please look up the word 'hyperbole' eom Maeve Jan 2013 #47

Since I don't own or advocate the use of guns.... Walk away Jan 2013 #65

And now I'm sorry I voted to let your post stand eom Maeve Jan 2013 #85

So, you ADMIT that reply #6 was an abuse of hyperbole. slackmaster Jan 2013 #116

Not at all. Every gun owner has done his or her part in supporting and contributing to.... Walk away Jan 2013 #139

The fact is, that every time you spend a dollar, you vote with that dollar. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #173

while you responded by making a death threat BainsBane Feb 2013 #246

Same to those who believe a non-consequential and visceral reaction is part and parcel... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #75

Tasteless. caseymoz Jan 2013 #122

interesting what outages you BainsBane Jan 2013 #232

Sad. Walk away Feb 2013 #243

No^^^^^^to this. nick of time Jan 2013 #19

What you own is irrelevant to a Constitutional argument. caseymoz Jan 2013 #141

Huh? nick of time Jan 2013 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author caseymoz Jan 2013 #151

Every dollar you spend is a vote for the world you want to live in. So, being a gun owner... dorksied Jan 2013 #226

I see you have enjoyed your stay; greiner3 Jan 2013 #170

So far, yes. nick of time Jan 2013 #172

Your post is one of the reasons that sensible whistler162 Jan 2013 #21

That's a bit over the top MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #23

Yeah, but try alerting on it. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #33

Hate much? Are you a liberal with a free pass to hate? Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #28

Grow up. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #98

If growing up is to approximate your status, I'll stick with my condition. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #114

While his post was somewhat juvenile, I support his position. Guns are a disease. dorksied Jan 2013 #227

Just another opinion.nt Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #237

I own her death? Papagoose Jan 2013 #30

I guess I'm responsible for every person killed by a drunk driver Bonduel Jan 2013 #64

coming out of the woodwork now Skittles Jan 2013 #230

Or maybe it's your fault for living in a country with a 2nd amendment. dkf Jan 2013 #71

One may only imagine then the area surrounding Sandy Hook ES was rampant with gang problems... LanternWaste Jan 2013 #87

That one was not fixable unless someone who knew him turned him in as a threat. dkf Jan 2013 #157

Fact is, if the gangs were operating out in the open, in a upper class white area, WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #179

I bet that is true. dkf Jan 2013 #180

This ^^^^^ strikes me as illogical Blandocyte Jan 2013 #76

No. Everyone who smokes pot owns this girl's death guardian Jan 2013 #156

For real, but the pot smokers will need to take a break from Blandocyte Jan 2013 #159

Sadly, you do have a point. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #161

It ain't Chronic in those chambers BudHardener Jan 2013 #181

You are confusing the issue. Glassunion Jan 2013 #197

Agree with the last bit, only... BudHardener Jan 2013 #200

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Glassunion Jan 2013 #202

Not sure I agree with that dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #207

What you think, and what is reality differ from each other. Glassunion Jan 2013 #220

Sorry that's just ridiculous dreamnightwind Jan 2013 #225

No blood spilled when ya grow your own meds BudHardener Jan 2013 #208

I never mentioned "grow your own". Glassunion Jan 2013 #221

The last I heard this poor child was shot by a bullet. Every single company that... Walk away Feb 2013 #244

+1 patrice Jan 2013 #166

Laying blame on the innocent is a despicable guilt tactic davidthegnome Jan 2013 #239

Thank you ellie Jan 2013 #43

REPEAL REPEAL REPEAL! Say it again and again. SylviaD Jan 2013 #66

You say repeal, nick of time Jan 2013 #81

Repeal the 2nd Amendment? MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #82

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! Zoeisright Jan 2013 #96

You are most likely correct. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #101

They'd be an insurgency Hayabusa Jan 2013 #129

You mean like Iraq and Afghanistan? nick of time Jan 2013 #136

Continually insulting one's opponents typically doesn't get one very far. Comrade Grumpy Jan 2013 #155

I'm not a gun owner or a fan of guns in general... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2013 #100

Yup MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #105

I thought the purpose of guns were to protect you. caseymoz Jan 2013 #146

That is the most likely outcome. MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #153

All I could say is . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #245

Please name 38 states whose legislatures could be persuaded to agree slackmaster Jan 2013 #84

Fucking A. Zoeisright Jan 2013 #95

Gun Humpers DainBramaged Jan 2013 #113

Absolutely -Society Should Not Be Held Hostage By Fear cantbeserious Jan 2013 #119

Ain't gonna happen and here is why.. BudHardener Jan 2013 #178

No need to repeal. Just do away with the creative interpretation of it. PSPS Jan 2013 #183

That would REALLY show those drug gangs who's boss. Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #192

The city of Chicago already has super-strict gun-control Ter Jan 2013 #206

I'm at a lack of words for this one, sooo totally F'en senseless. n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #2

Incredibly sad. It wouldn't be surprising to learn she was targeted because she geek tragedy Jan 2013 #3

It wouldn't surprise me to learn she was targeted by a gun nut intheflow Jan 2013 #13

Seriously? MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #25

you're serious? Puzzledtraveller Jan 2013 #29

Really? nick of time Jan 2013 #34

That's just plain wacky n/t RZM Jan 2013 #240

Doubtful, though possible MynameisBlarney Jan 2013 #14

It's my belief that this poor girl was killed for the very reason you state. Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #31

Nope. She was just one person amongst many in one of those marching bands. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #79

Guns and esteem issues BudHardener Jan 2013 #185

Chicago has more than its share of fucked up, violent people for some reason slackmaster Jan 2013 #4

It is predominantly due to the resurgence of gangs frazzled Jan 2013 #26

lead poisoning leads to lead flying mopinko Jan 2013 #54

Leaded gasoline fumes? KamaAina Jan 2013 #70

that lead is still everywhere. and that is just about right. gang leaders are in their 30's and 40's mopinko Jan 2013 #176

So violent crime should be on the way out soon KamaAina Jan 2013 #177

statistics say it is. mopinko Jan 2013 #184

Prisons are bursting at the seams KamaAina Jan 2013 #189

Many of our large cities, and small ones, have problems with gang violence. amandabeech Jan 2013 #27

Change the economic cliamate and... rsmith6621 Jan 2013 #58

Haven't we had gangs since revolutionary times? derby378 Jan 2013 #63

Remember "Gangs of New York?" amandabeech Jan 2013 #68

Never mind the 19th century, the Romans had street gangs. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #233

Gangs since Neanderthal BudHardener Jan 2013 #186

That's a bit of a strecth derby378 Jan 2013 #187

You mean Banks? Big Pharma? War in Iraq? BudHardener Jan 2013 #190

It's a 'sense of belonging'. Most people thrive on being a part of something. Blanks Jan 2013 #205

Lots more decent jobs would help so many problems, amandabeech Jan 2013 #72

you're right but that also means change the drug laws wordpix Jan 2013 #211

How did New York do it? Copy their methods. New York is night and day from 1970s. nt SylviaD Jan 2013 #194

and its still not the most iamthebandfanman Jan 2013 #41

Chicago has had a long and sordid history of this since the St. Valentine's Day Massacre derby378 Jan 2013 #53

... ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #5

hit me the same way Ichingcarpenter Jan 2013 #7

. one_voice Jan 2013 #8

Am I the only one who's tired of our impotence MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #9

What's your "simple, common sense" fix for Chicago's long-standing problem with violent crime? slackmaster Jan 2013 #11

Attack teachers unions under the fake pretext that there's a budget gap, then MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #50

We don't use the Brady scorecard - try DOJ/FBI statistics instead derby378 Jan 2013 #55

The "gun death" rate is not an accurate measure of how safe a place is. The overall murder rate is. slackmaster Jan 2013 #61

Washington State has far more lax laws than California. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #77

Really? eaglesfanintn Jan 2013 #80

You've indulged in a bit of cherry-picking, which is reasonable considering that I did as well. slackmaster Jan 2013 #83

Sure eaglesfanintn Jan 2013 #86

I think that state is Maryland, not Delaware. geardaddy Jan 2013 #130

Excuse me. California is one of the low per-capita gun death rates states. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #104

The map in my previous post shows that Califonria is not one of the lowest per-capita murder states slackmaster Jan 2013 #107

Gun deaths are the topic at issue. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #204

Overall murder rates peaked in California in 1993 and have generally been on a downward trend... slackmaster Jan 2013 #228

Besides failed economic policies... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #62

Agreed. Nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2013 #69

Agree! patrice Jan 2013 #106

Here is how I'd handle it. Shadowflash Jan 2013 #67

Terribly sad....and Wayne LaPierre is now testifying at the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.... George II Jan 2013 #10

He would say. iandhr Jan 2013 #49

MORE GUNS!!! Iggo Jan 2013 #12

Sounds like a gang hit, nick of time Jan 2013 #15

Sounds like somebody shot her. Iggo Jan 2013 #37

That's what I meant. nick of time Jan 2013 #38

If you can't be somebody, get notoreity by killing someone of stature. geek tragedy Jan 2013 #39

Now that makes sense, nick of time Jan 2013 #40

This was not a person of stature RZM Jan 2013 #242

Likely political, considering the state of the gun debate. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #74

Don't think so. nick of time Jan 2013 #78

Possibly. But there's lots of crazies out there surrounding the gun issue. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #90

No doubt about that, nick of time Jan 2013 #92

You don't really know the reason why, and the reason is probably stupid, like jealousy wordpix Jan 2013 #212

You're right. nick of time Jan 2013 #214

This insanity has to stop SCantiGOP Jan 2013 #17

Everyone has the right to live slackmaster Jan 2013 #18

Yep. She should've been carrying to protect her rights, right? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #35

No, it probably wouldn't have made any difference slackmaster Jan 2013 #42

Right. BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #89

You lost me at "Yet according to you..." slackmaster Jan 2013 #102

Unreasonable, isn't it? BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #110

I'd gladly enter into a wager about the nature of the person who murdered the girl slackmaster Jan 2013 #112

In your feverish pursuit of chasing down whatever distraction you can find BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #134

Yes, a gun. One of those things that are BANNED in Chicago. slackmaster Jan 2013 #149

When does this all end? Botany Jan 2013 #20

How sad. What a waste of young talent. athena Jan 2013 #22

... Melinda Jan 2013 #36

When will this senseless violence end? iandhr Jan 2013 #44

. patrice Jan 2013 #45

Tears also. I can hardly believe this. freshwest Jan 2013 #158

You can SEE that she's an angel, trying to do good for her community. Breaks our hearts!!! patrice Jan 2013 #162

Goddamn this world is depressing. AtheistCrusader Jan 2013 #48

I literally CANNOT stand hearing about these babies being killed. Not a criticism of you, OP. Happyhippychick Jan 2013 #51

All of the guns... slackmaster Jan 2013 #52

That would be the optimal solution, if it could be done IMHO ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #217

Monstrous Ian Iam Jan 2013 #56

Who knows who did this sakabatou Jan 2013 #57

My gut reaction is that the South Side should be razed by bulldozers derby378 Jan 2013 #59

The West side has the same problems. former9thward Jan 2013 #109

Yeah... derby378 Jan 2013 #120

I can hear the Right Wing now claiming Obama had her shot.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2013 #60

Of course they will. It's perfect for them. grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #93

Oh, of COURSE ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #218

Right - every gun crime from now on will be part of the conspiracy! grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #241

That sounds targeted. Who done it? grahamhgreen Jan 2013 #73

The 2nd amendment angrychair Jan 2013 #88

It says 'keep and bear' ... which are terms associated with military usage ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #222

I agree with you davidpdx Jan 2013 #229

A bullet through the heart of the nation. JDPriestly Jan 2013 #91

We need to treat guns like a new panademic. And the vaccine is putting a ring around it graham4anything Jan 2013 #94

Check points at the state??? former9thward Jan 2013 #152

. Paulie Jan 2013 #97

How sad!!! Beacool Jan 2013 #99

... Police said 15-year-old Hadiya Pendleton was taking shelter from the rain under a canopy struggle4progress Jan 2013 #103

Yep. nick of time Jan 2013 #108

Such a vibrant, pretty girl AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #111

I weep for Chicago, and more importantly Lifelong Protester Jan 2013 #115

Another "message" sent by the disgusting right wing harrose Jan 2013 #117

Not true at all. nick of time Jan 2013 #118

It can't be, because they we can't blame our political enemies for it. hughee99 Jan 2013 #121

No, no, no. nick of time Jan 2013 #123

No, I don't think it was anyone public like Hannity or Limbaugh... harrose Jan 2013 #125

I'd actually be somewhat surprised to find that out. hughee99 Jan 2013 #154

Just a week or so after the inauguration? harrose Jan 2013 #126

WGN and police have already said that it was a case of her nick of time Jan 2013 #127

I wouldn't put it above the reich wing harrose Jan 2013 #131

Maybe, but not in this case. nick of time Jan 2013 #133

You might be right... harrose Jan 2013 #135

Fair enough. nick of time Jan 2013 #138

Things that "seem random"... harrose Jan 2013 #143

True, nick of time Jan 2013 #145

What are you talking about? Beacool Jan 2013 #215

this is terrible!! hue Jan 2013 #124

i feel like crying samsingh Jan 2013 #128

Jesus Christ damnedifIknow Jan 2013 #132

sigh.... Marrah_G Jan 2013 #137

I am sick of this. Not Me Jan 2013 #140

When the extremists on both sides are silenced nick of time Jan 2013 #144

lol - your slip is showing. TBF Jan 2013 #164

My slip is showing? What does that even mean? nick of time Jan 2013 #167

That is your framing - TBF Jan 2013 #196

Indeed so.....n/t AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #175

Yeah, we should shoot them BudHardener Jan 2013 #188

Huh? nick of time Jan 2013 #209

omg how sad! please, about all the BICKERING... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2013 #147

Why have we let it get so out of hand? WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #148

This was going on before Chicago's gun laws were declared unconstitutional askeptic Jan 2013 #150

So terribly sad. AverageJoe90 Jan 2013 #160

lapierre is puking it up RIGHT NOW on tv. what a despicable scumbag farminator3000 Jan 2013 #163

AWESOME!!! Leahy just handed WAYNEY his sorry scummy ass on a plate farminator3000 Jan 2013 #165

You'll find that most of the gun humpers..... llmart Jan 2013 #199

i liked the hawaiian lady @ the end too farminator3000 Jan 2013 #236

the Chief from MD is pretty damn cool too farminator3000 Jan 2013 #168

also AWESOME, i think feinstein made wayney BLUSH!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #169

THE BEST WAY OF STOPPING A BAD GUY IN THE FIRST PLACE IS A GOOD BACKGROUND CHECK!!! farminator3000 Jan 2013 #171

Only cowards use guns on unarmed persons WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #174

This is DU? A girl gets shot and people worry if the gun is okay? Scootaloo Jan 2013 #182

I don't recall seeing this hue and cry after 7 people were murdered on Saturday Dreamer Tatum Jan 2013 #191

Another way to look at it, 87 gun accidents a day. WHEN CRABS ROAR Jan 2013 #193

So sad shenmue Jan 2013 #195

This is just so heartbreaking Danmel Jan 2013 #198

R.I.P. southern_belle Jan 2013 #201

Goddamit to fucking HELL! How long are we going to tolerate this? eridani Jan 2013 #203

I've been asking that mimi85 Jan 2013 #210

As long as we let lobbyists buy our congress people wordpix Jan 2013 #213

Very sad and it continues to drive home the need for gun control davidpdx Jan 2013 #216

For sure ... see my post above ... brett_jv Jan 2013 #219

Rest in Peace, Hadiya. mia Jan 2013 #223

Let's not kid ourselves, Chicago is out of fucking control. Send in the troops. bubbayugga Jan 2013 #224

Send them in to do what, precisely? (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #234

Another victory for La Pierre and his friends BainsBane Jan 2013 #231

What a beautiful child BeyondGeography Jan 2013 #235

There is a straight line between our state's budget woes and the surge in murders AngryAmish Jan 2013 #238