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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
23. it isn't just you
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:46 AM
Jan 2012

The discourse in Canada, and I assume on CNN etc. (didn't have time to watch the segment on CNN this morning), is all about "honour killings".

Really. These murders had *nothing* to do with honour killings, any more than most such murders in the news do.

Honour killings, as I said, are a complex phenomenon. Put simply, if a family member in a culture where these rules apply brings "shame" on the family, the only way the family can counter the shame is to kill the family member. If they do not do that, they are doomed -- they could literally starve on the street, because they will be cast out by the community: an extreme form of shunning.

Mohammad Shafia's security, and the security of his family, were in no danger in Canada. This was no "honour killing". It was violence against women. The Canadian media are giving voice to people pressing this point, but unfortunately still tossing the term/concept "honour killing" around in relation to the deaths.

Just for a quick start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing

Sharif Kanaana, professor of anthropology at Birzeit University, says that honor killing is:

A complicated issue that cuts deep into the history of Arab society. .. What the men of the family, clan, or tribe seek control of in a patrilineal society is reproductive power. Women for the tribe were considered a factory for making men. The honour killing is not a means to control sexual power or behavior. What's behind it is the issue of fertility, or reproductive power.

An Amnesty International statement adds:

The regime of honour is unforgiving: women on whom suspicion has fallen are not given an opportunity to defend themselves, and family members have no socially acceptable alternative but to remove the stain on their honour by attacking the woman.


That is, the family itself may feel compelled to kill the offending family member (who is not always a woman) in order to ensure its economic survival, which depends on social approval.

Yes, the term is now widely applied to pure hate crimes against women, and the people who commit those crimes do sometimes wrap themselves in the concept.

In our beloved western world, a man who kills a cheating wife "in the heat of passion" has long got a big break from the judicial system, let us not forget. Very little difference on the surface: a man's righteous rage at the woman daring to interfere in his right to control her reproductive activities. The difference between that and honour killings, historically, is that in the latter case it was historically not a case of righteous rage; the family itself may have been subject to extreme social pressure to kill the offender even against their own wishes, while in the west it's the offended man whose actions have been approved by society.

Obviously this derives from a very different concept of the nature and relationships of individual, family, community and society from ours in the modern west. But it really did not derive from the individual men's pride and ego or their personal hatred of or desire to oppress women.

What we see and term "honour killings" in these instances in the west today, and also in instances in the homelands where the practice exists historically, are pretty far removed from the origins of the practice, which is rooted deeply in cultures where the individual is far less of an independent agent and far more dependent on the community than in our own society. Everyone, not just women, was (and may still be) subject to social controls on their behaviours and sanctions for violating norms that we regard as intolerable, but that were survival mechanisms for those cultures, for whom extreme social cohesion was necessary. This operated in the interests of individuals in some regards, and against their interests in others. Just as some of our own norms do. This is not to apply "cultural relativism", it is to understand a phenomenon.

That phenomenon has been perverted and exploited by men like Shafia, who simply is not subject to the pressures that call for "honour killing". His daughters' behaviour did not cause him the kind of social shame that would have jeopardized his family; his community, both the broad Canadian community and his own cultural community, do not ostracize and marginalize him because of his daughters. He had no need to cleanse his and his family's name and reputation. (Remember, a true "honour killing" is done for the family.) He's simply a woman-hating, egotistical asshole.

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Wow! graywarrior Jan 2012 #1
Some more detail. RandySF Jan 2012 #2
Misogyny, thy name is religion. nt Deep13 Jan 2012 #3
It's always a good thing when serial killers are locked up. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #4
Good -- this was a horrific crime obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #5
Wonder how those SOBs would feel about a little Eye For An Eye justice, since they're so into their MADem Jan 2012 #6
First degree murder in Canada is mandatory life in prison JBoy Jan 2012 #7
AS I said a bit downthread, the son will be in his mid forties when he's up for parole. MADem Jan 2012 #10
They have been sentenced already. auntAgonist Jan 2012 #8
So, the son will be in his mid forties when he might be unleashed upon the unsuspecting public. MADem Jan 2012 #9
Charlie Manson ain't made parole yet. Mopar151 Jan 2012 #13
Well, he beat the chair thanks to a law change, and he's south of the Canadian border, too. MADem Jan 2012 #15
"Might," and I'm pretty sure the public will not be "unsuspecting." Posteritatis Jan 2012 #21
there will be enormous publicity when he is up for parole iverglas Jan 2012 #29
Yeah, Homolka's who came to mind for me. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #38
His CHIMO Jan 2012 #31
That would be Afghanistan, then, yes? MADem Jan 2012 #32
removal from Canada iverglas Jan 2012 #33
They CHIMO Jan 2012 #39
yes, worth taking a look iverglas Jan 2012 #42
Such a disgusting crime... jzodda Jan 2012 #11
Well, for now, they don't believe they did anything wrong. Darth_Kitten Jan 2012 #12
actually, I think they still deny committing the murders iverglas Jan 2012 #18
When you move to somebody else's country you gotta live by their Marnie Jan 2012 #14
how about people who are born here iverglas Jan 2012 #19
INSIDE THE SHAFIA MURDER TRIAL CHIMO Jan 2012 #16
Wow. polly7 Jan 2012 #25
"I think it shows that honor killings can and do happen in North America" iverglas Jan 2012 #17
Just because I said honour killing laundry_queen Jan 2012 #20
it isn't just you iverglas Jan 2012 #23
Actually if you were watching the news last night laundry_queen Jan 2012 #27
I agree, that's what I was saying iverglas Jan 2012 #28
Killing himself is a fairly good sign he was distraught muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #22
like I said iverglas Jan 2012 #24
What's the difference between quotes and italics? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #26
whatever iverglas Jan 2012 #30
The judge who sat through all of the trial and testimony called it an honour killing. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #43
Canadian, are you? iverglas Jan 2012 #44
I'm Irish. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #48
Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #45
Its a direct quote from the judge, and it's in the OP article riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #46
sadly for your case, he doesn't call the murders "honour killings" iverglas Jan 2012 #50
You can semantically parse the judges words all you like but the meaning is plain riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #53
I didn't call it a crime of passion iverglas Jan 2012 #57
I Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #52
Uh huh, that's fine. I've no desire to run for anything and will continue to work with abused women riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #55
Well CHIMO Jan 2012 #56
disgusting iverglas Jan 2012 #62
you can even try the entire passage from the judge's sentencing remarks iverglas Jan 2012 #54
exactly iverglas Jan 2012 #47
You have an agenda and purposefully left out the rest of the judge's quote. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #49
you're drifting seriously off course iverglas Jan 2012 #51
Alert on it then. I stand by my words. It's not a personal attack riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #59
spit those mealies out of your mouth iverglas Jan 2012 #60
Idea of Shafia deaths as 'honour killings' stirs debate iverglas Jan 2012 #34
Happy Madyam Madyam Jan 2012 #35
welcome iverglas Jan 2012 #36
the ones in BC? iverglas Jan 2012 #37
Welcome to DU! yardwork Jan 2012 #40
welcome to DU, Madyam fishwax Jan 2012 #41
How can you kill for honor? Swede Jan 2012 #58
nice to have you in the conversation iverglas Jan 2012 #61
nope Swede Jan 2012 #63
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