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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
24. like I said
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 09:54 AM
Jan 2012

It may have to do with "honour killings" as the west chooses to define that term, and as some men exploit it. It does not have to do with the true phenomenon of honour killings.

The distinction you assert between "a man thinking he has complete control over the lives of his children or step-children, and can thus kill them as well as killing himself" and cases like the Shafia murders is one without much difference, in my opinion. Men kill their wives and/or children in the west without killing themselves. And a "father's hatred for the daughters because of their behaviour" can hardly be characterized as anything but "a man thinking he has complete control over the lives of his children".

The west excuses misogynist violence against women in many ways. The man in the random case I cited was "distraught" over the breakdown of his marriage. A man who kills an adulterous wife does it "in the heat of passion". A man who goes to a public place and guns down random women, whether because they allegedly prevented him from becoming an engineer (Marc Lépine) or because women in general failed to provide him with the sexual relationships he deserved (George Sodini), etc., "snapped". Men do these things; socially agreed excuses are provided for them. Everywhere.

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Wow! graywarrior Jan 2012 #1
Some more detail. RandySF Jan 2012 #2
Misogyny, thy name is religion. nt Deep13 Jan 2012 #3
It's always a good thing when serial killers are locked up. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #4
Good -- this was a horrific crime obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #5
Wonder how those SOBs would feel about a little Eye For An Eye justice, since they're so into their MADem Jan 2012 #6
First degree murder in Canada is mandatory life in prison JBoy Jan 2012 #7
AS I said a bit downthread, the son will be in his mid forties when he's up for parole. MADem Jan 2012 #10
They have been sentenced already. auntAgonist Jan 2012 #8
So, the son will be in his mid forties when he might be unleashed upon the unsuspecting public. MADem Jan 2012 #9
Charlie Manson ain't made parole yet. Mopar151 Jan 2012 #13
Well, he beat the chair thanks to a law change, and he's south of the Canadian border, too. MADem Jan 2012 #15
"Might," and I'm pretty sure the public will not be "unsuspecting." Posteritatis Jan 2012 #21
there will be enormous publicity when he is up for parole iverglas Jan 2012 #29
Yeah, Homolka's who came to mind for me. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #38
His CHIMO Jan 2012 #31
That would be Afghanistan, then, yes? MADem Jan 2012 #32
removal from Canada iverglas Jan 2012 #33
They CHIMO Jan 2012 #39
yes, worth taking a look iverglas Jan 2012 #42
Such a disgusting crime... jzodda Jan 2012 #11
Well, for now, they don't believe they did anything wrong. Darth_Kitten Jan 2012 #12
actually, I think they still deny committing the murders iverglas Jan 2012 #18
When you move to somebody else's country you gotta live by their Marnie Jan 2012 #14
how about people who are born here iverglas Jan 2012 #19
INSIDE THE SHAFIA MURDER TRIAL CHIMO Jan 2012 #16
Wow. polly7 Jan 2012 #25
"I think it shows that honor killings can and do happen in North America" iverglas Jan 2012 #17
Just because I said honour killing laundry_queen Jan 2012 #20
it isn't just you iverglas Jan 2012 #23
Actually if you were watching the news last night laundry_queen Jan 2012 #27
I agree, that's what I was saying iverglas Jan 2012 #28
Killing himself is a fairly good sign he was distraught muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #22
like I said iverglas Jan 2012 #24
What's the difference between quotes and italics? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #26
whatever iverglas Jan 2012 #30
The judge who sat through all of the trial and testimony called it an honour killing. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #43
Canadian, are you? iverglas Jan 2012 #44
I'm Irish. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #48
Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #45
Its a direct quote from the judge, and it's in the OP article riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #46
sadly for your case, he doesn't call the murders "honour killings" iverglas Jan 2012 #50
You can semantically parse the judges words all you like but the meaning is plain riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #53
I didn't call it a crime of passion iverglas Jan 2012 #57
I Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #52
Uh huh, that's fine. I've no desire to run for anything and will continue to work with abused women riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #55
Well CHIMO Jan 2012 #56
disgusting iverglas Jan 2012 #62
you can even try the entire passage from the judge's sentencing remarks iverglas Jan 2012 #54
exactly iverglas Jan 2012 #47
You have an agenda and purposefully left out the rest of the judge's quote. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #49
you're drifting seriously off course iverglas Jan 2012 #51
Alert on it then. I stand by my words. It's not a personal attack riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #59
spit those mealies out of your mouth iverglas Jan 2012 #60
Idea of Shafia deaths as 'honour killings' stirs debate iverglas Jan 2012 #34
Happy Madyam Madyam Jan 2012 #35
welcome iverglas Jan 2012 #36
the ones in BC? iverglas Jan 2012 #37
Welcome to DU! yardwork Jan 2012 #40
welcome to DU, Madyam fishwax Jan 2012 #41
How can you kill for honor? Swede Jan 2012 #58
nice to have you in the conversation iverglas Jan 2012 #61
nope Swede Jan 2012 #63
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