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63. Rand Paul says the US is already arming Syrian rebels through a Libya-Turkey-Syria pipeline.
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 03:48 PM
Feb 2013
Rand Paul Pushes Gun-Running Conspiracy (Libya to Turkey to Syria) Theory During Benghazi Hearing.

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) used today’s hearing on the Benghazi attack to confront Secretary of State Hillary Clinton about a conspiracy theory involving moving guns from Libya to Syrian rebels.

Paul, a new member on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wasted no time in making a mark on the proceedings. After informing Secretary Clinton that he would have fired her for her role in the response to the attack, Paul came seemingly out of nowhere to ask Clinton about Turkey. “Is the U.S. involved with any procuring of weapons, transfer of weapons, buying, selling, anyhow transferring weapons to Turkey out of Libya?” he asked.

A clearly confused Clinton responded to the best of her ability:

CLINTON: To Turkey? I will have to take that question for the record. Nobody has ever raised that with me.

PAUL: It’s been in news reports that ships have been leaving from Libya and that they may have weapons and what I’d like to know is the annex that was close by, were they involved with procuring, buying, selling, obtaining weapons and were any of these weapons being transferred to other countries, any countries, Turkey included?




Paul’s inquiry about Turkey seems less odd if you’re familiar with Glenn Beck-inspired conspiracy theories that have been circulating among right-wing websites since the attacks in Libya. The theory goes that Ambassador Chris Stevens — who was killed during the attack — was deeply involved in the CIA project of gathering loose arms in Libya in the aftermath of Moammar Qaddafi’s downfall. Stevens then facilitated the movement of those arms from Libya to Turkey, where they then went on to Syria. The secrecy involved in moving those weapons under the table is part of why the Obama administration covered up the truth of the attack, according to the theory, which even Fox News has helped spread.

The Obama administration has repeatedly said that it will not be providing arms to the rebels in Syria, which this theory claims to counter. While the CIA was involved with helping round up the loose arms that were rampant in Libya, there is no evidence that Stevens or the State Department was involved in the operation, nor that the arms were then shipped to Syria. That Sen. Paul would use his first hearing on the Foreign Relations Committee to push this theory, despite the fact even if it were true it would fall outside of Secretary Clinton’s purview, does not say great things about his future on the body.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2013/01/23/1485661/rand-paul-conspiracy-theory-libya/

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Oh sweet Jesus. Please do better, John Kerry. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #1
Hillary has always been one of the biggest hawks in the administration. Jennicut Feb 2013 #9
My big reservation about her, too. There is no way Kerry or Hagel would TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #14
Yeah probably only second to Obama lol. nt BootinUp Feb 2013 #26
Obviously not. Obama said no. Pirate Smile Feb 2013 #38
So you bought it hook line and sinker. BootinUp Feb 2013 #39
The NYT article looked like it came from Clinton people - giving her credit for any Obama successes Pirate Smile Feb 2013 #53
Like I said... Biden/Unnamed sources 2016! lol. BootinUp Feb 2013 #56
Biden in 2016? Beacool Feb 2013 #58
deja vu AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #64
Biden ain't Obama. Beacool Feb 2013 #65
and Hillary ain't no Cleopatra. Whisp Feb 2013 #79
Rand Paul says the US is already arming Syrian rebels through a Libya-Turkey-Syria pipeline. pampango Feb 2013 #63
Hopefully just a crackpot theory. But I will argue that today's story, that TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #66
Apparently Rand Paul does not think that the arms plan was 'rebuffed' by President Obama. pampango Feb 2013 #69
The only pipe involved in that ^^^ is the one Rand Paul is smoking. nt cstanleytech Feb 2013 #67
'Cause you know how much Turkey wants heavily-armed rebels living next door. Scootaloo Feb 2013 #76
who cares if Arabs are murdered by their own government! Deep13 Feb 2013 #2
Who cares if England had aided the confederacy? Ash_F Feb 2013 #7
Who cares if the governor of Cloud City is aiding those Jedi rebels? Bucky Feb 2013 #17
Who cares if you're confusing simplistic movie fantasy with the real world? JackRiddler Feb 2013 #28
Thank you for taking the time and effort to reply. Bucky Feb 2013 #33
What? Deep13 Feb 2013 #27
But aren't the fascists the rebels? Don't they want to be more like the west? nt kelliekat44 Feb 2013 #40
Depends what "be more like the West" means. Deep13 Feb 2013 #50
Well, you need to John2 Feb 2013 #48
Well yeah, the USA's and the UK's imperialism... Deep13 Feb 2013 #52
Every civil war has a government killing it's own people Ash_F Feb 2013 #61
Apparently not you, if the Arabs are in Bahrain. JackRiddler Feb 2013 #29
Yeah, we should not be supporting those regimes. nt Deep13 Feb 2013 #30
Or setting up the next regimes, either. JackRiddler Feb 2013 #34
So what's the alternative? Deep13 Feb 2013 #37
Wrong question, wrong time. JackRiddler Feb 2013 #57
Exactly!!! Beacool Feb 2013 #43
So is this the true reason Petraeus was fired? DFLforever Feb 2013 #3
Maybe just his idea was alarming enough to Obama--but I tend to think TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #4
Could be. DFLforever Feb 2013 #6
Wasn't just an idea. The Benghazi incident was related to the pipeline to Syria. leveymg Feb 2013 #13
Yes. Hillary, too. She was the real mover behind the Libya-Syria regime change operation. leveymg Feb 2013 #12
She's just a knee-jerk interventionist, it sounds like. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #15
Rather, she's a politically sophisticated and aggressive neocon with close ties to the Gulf Arabs leveymg Feb 2013 #18
And good for her for speaking up!!! Beacool Feb 2013 #44
Maybe Petraeus threw a temper tantrum when Obama said no. LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #59
maybe. Who were those people that were 'in command' with him. Whisp Feb 2013 #72
found the names: Fred and Kimberly Kagan (Hardball link) Whisp Feb 2013 #74
I'm glad Obama didn't go the reckless adventure route. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #5
Indeed good to see Obama use his own judgment and avoiding a "reckless adventure" pampango Feb 2013 #8
Me too, but for different reasons. Beacool Feb 2013 #45
Good. Socal31 Feb 2013 #10
Hindsight isn't always 20-20. Igel Feb 2013 #41
Sometimes hindsight is pretty darn close to 20-20 Socal31 Feb 2013 #47
I bet what happened in Egypt is exactly why Obama nixed this idea... Drunken Irishman Feb 2013 #49
I've been telling you this is what happened. Bengahazi was blow-back from that operation. leveymg Feb 2013 #11
No, she was going to step down anyway. Petraeus wasn't, but he was TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #16
She had tenure as SoS for one term. It's not clear she had decided to leave until after Benghazi. leveymg Feb 2013 #19
Yeah, that must be why Hillary had already announced that she didn't plan to stay for a second term Beacool Feb 2013 #46
She didn't make an official announcement until after Benghazi leveymg Feb 2013 #60
the uncertainty was stoked AtomicKitten Feb 2013 #62
She has some expert stokers. leveymg Feb 2013 #68
This story is about as reliable as something on Drudge. BootinUp Feb 2013 #20
I don't know who released it, or why. Or why now. TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #21
. BootinUp Feb 2013 #22
Do you find this story to be not credible? TwilightGardener Feb 2013 #23
1. There is no way to know BootinUp Feb 2013 #25
There's no way to know? JackRiddler Feb 2013 #32
How do you define secret policy? BootinUp Feb 2013 #36
It's Reuters citing the New York Times citing "unnamed Obama administration officials" Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #24
Seems like a trend lately, don't like the content of an article...tarnish the source regardless of Purveyor Feb 2013 #77
Well, if true, this shows I was right to support Obama in 2008. Mass Feb 2013 #31
And also if true, Arrowhead2k1 Feb 2013 #35
Oh, because things are going sooooo well in Syria. Beacool Feb 2013 #42
Just follow history. John2 Feb 2013 #55
Good for the president still_one Feb 2013 #51
It's 100% John Kerry's responsiblity now.Time for campaigning is over. Time for Job is now. graham4anything Feb 2013 #54
When did Kerry become President? That kind of decision is made by the President karynnj Feb 2013 #71
Robert Dreyfuss, The Nation: Good Riddance to Warmonger Hillary Clinton antigop Feb 2013 #70
Petraeus, thankfully, is gone. And Hillary Clinton, Obama’s hawk, is gone, too. Whisp Feb 2013 #73
Yeah, let's just stand by and watch Assad decimate the rest of his country. Beacool Feb 2013 #75
Considering how well Egypt and Libya went…… MrSlayer Feb 2013 #78
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