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iverglas

(38,549 posts)
33. removal from Canada
Mon Jan 30, 2012, 04:09 PM
Jan 2012

There would have to be a removal hearing, of course. It may well proceed in the near future, since the conviction makes them inadmissible and vitiates their permanent residence status, other considerations aside. The order would be executed when they were eligible for release.

The inadmissibility has to be proved (not difficult), any refugee protection claim disposed of, and the pre-removal risk assessment (risk if returned) completed -- that being the latest and current form of the process. By the time the issue arises, circumstances will have changed in countless ways.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2012/01/29/shafia-sunday.html

The Shafias moved to Canada in 2007. They fled their native Afghanistan more than 15 years earlier and had lived in Dubai and Australia before moving the family to Montreal and applied for citizenship.

Presumably they came here as economic migrants (presumably having had legal residence in at least one other country besides Canada), and not refugee protection claimants.

You may recall that I'd been unable to figure out how someone brought two wives to Canada:

At the time of the deaths, they were all permanent residents, except for Amir who had only a visitor's visa. They told authorities, and initially maintained after the deaths, that Amir was Mohammad Shafia’s cousin.

... Rona Amir was Shafia’s first wife. The couple wed in an arranged marriage in Kabul before civil war broke out in their homeland. Amir wasn’t able to conceive and encouraged Shafia to take another wife, which he did in 1989, marrying Tooba Yahya in another arranged marriage.

So first wife Rona Amir, one of the victims, was in a specially precarious position: in Canada without permanent status, leaving her at the mercy of the family. (The second marriage was wholly invalid for Canadian immigration purposes.) We might assume she'd been in that position for a long time.

Immigration authorities fell down on the job on that one -- she'd been in Canada how long as a "visitor", and how? -- along with child welfare authorities failing the youngest daughter.

I'd just mention that I've had the opposite experience. A client of mine turned out to be a very weird and abusive man (he got caught cashing his deceased mother's pension cheques, and I was concerned about the welfare of his two elderly aunts in his household). He brought me a young woman he and his Filipina wife claimed was her sister, who was in Canada as a family care worker but in violation of the terms of her visa. The whole situation just smelled so bad, and I was so concerned about the young woman, that I arranged for her to meet privately with RCMP (not an easy feat in the circumstances). They offered her protection to leave the household, and she would have had sympathetic treatment from immigration. Unfortunately, she didn't follow through.

But women like Rona Amir and her stepdaughters ... there is help available, but not enough and not easily accessible. Work is being done to help victims of forced marriages in Canada, for example. The job of getting those resources to the people who need them, and letting those people know what help they can get, is a very important one and it isn't yet being done adequately.

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Wow! graywarrior Jan 2012 #1
Some more detail. RandySF Jan 2012 #2
Misogyny, thy name is religion. nt Deep13 Jan 2012 #3
It's always a good thing when serial killers are locked up. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #4
Good -- this was a horrific crime obamanut2012 Jan 2012 #5
Wonder how those SOBs would feel about a little Eye For An Eye justice, since they're so into their MADem Jan 2012 #6
First degree murder in Canada is mandatory life in prison JBoy Jan 2012 #7
AS I said a bit downthread, the son will be in his mid forties when he's up for parole. MADem Jan 2012 #10
They have been sentenced already. auntAgonist Jan 2012 #8
So, the son will be in his mid forties when he might be unleashed upon the unsuspecting public. MADem Jan 2012 #9
Charlie Manson ain't made parole yet. Mopar151 Jan 2012 #13
Well, he beat the chair thanks to a law change, and he's south of the Canadian border, too. MADem Jan 2012 #15
"Might," and I'm pretty sure the public will not be "unsuspecting." Posteritatis Jan 2012 #21
there will be enormous publicity when he is up for parole iverglas Jan 2012 #29
Yeah, Homolka's who came to mind for me. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2012 #38
His CHIMO Jan 2012 #31
That would be Afghanistan, then, yes? MADem Jan 2012 #32
removal from Canada iverglas Jan 2012 #33
They CHIMO Jan 2012 #39
yes, worth taking a look iverglas Jan 2012 #42
Such a disgusting crime... jzodda Jan 2012 #11
Well, for now, they don't believe they did anything wrong. Darth_Kitten Jan 2012 #12
actually, I think they still deny committing the murders iverglas Jan 2012 #18
When you move to somebody else's country you gotta live by their Marnie Jan 2012 #14
how about people who are born here iverglas Jan 2012 #19
INSIDE THE SHAFIA MURDER TRIAL CHIMO Jan 2012 #16
Wow. polly7 Jan 2012 #25
"I think it shows that honor killings can and do happen in North America" iverglas Jan 2012 #17
Just because I said honour killing laundry_queen Jan 2012 #20
it isn't just you iverglas Jan 2012 #23
Actually if you were watching the news last night laundry_queen Jan 2012 #27
I agree, that's what I was saying iverglas Jan 2012 #28
Killing himself is a fairly good sign he was distraught muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #22
like I said iverglas Jan 2012 #24
What's the difference between quotes and italics? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #26
whatever iverglas Jan 2012 #30
The judge who sat through all of the trial and testimony called it an honour killing. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #43
Canadian, are you? iverglas Jan 2012 #44
I'm Irish. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #48
Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #45
Its a direct quote from the judge, and it's in the OP article riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #46
sadly for your case, he doesn't call the murders "honour killings" iverglas Jan 2012 #50
You can semantically parse the judges words all you like but the meaning is plain riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #53
I didn't call it a crime of passion iverglas Jan 2012 #57
I Would CHIMO Jan 2012 #52
Uh huh, that's fine. I've no desire to run for anything and will continue to work with abused women riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #55
Well CHIMO Jan 2012 #56
disgusting iverglas Jan 2012 #62
you can even try the entire passage from the judge's sentencing remarks iverglas Jan 2012 #54
exactly iverglas Jan 2012 #47
You have an agenda and purposefully left out the rest of the judge's quote. riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #49
you're drifting seriously off course iverglas Jan 2012 #51
Alert on it then. I stand by my words. It's not a personal attack riderinthestorm Jan 2012 #59
spit those mealies out of your mouth iverglas Jan 2012 #60
Idea of Shafia deaths as 'honour killings' stirs debate iverglas Jan 2012 #34
Happy Madyam Madyam Jan 2012 #35
welcome iverglas Jan 2012 #36
the ones in BC? iverglas Jan 2012 #37
Welcome to DU! yardwork Jan 2012 #40
welcome to DU, Madyam fishwax Jan 2012 #41
How can you kill for honor? Swede Jan 2012 #58
nice to have you in the conversation iverglas Jan 2012 #61
nope Swede Jan 2012 #63
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