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4. Didn't Bush declare assassinations of gov. leaders acceptable?
Fri Dec 16, 2011, 12:10 AM
Dec 2011

No one seemed to flinch at that including the Internation Criminal Court.
That said, it is preferable if it ends the conflict prior to the loss of thousands of lives.

How do they view the death of Saddam Hussein?

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On edit: Just found this:

In the wake of September 11, President George W. Bush has restored the sordid practices of the CIA by revoking President Ford's 1976 executive order 12333 which banned the CIA from conducting "targeted assassinations". This time, however, the CIA is to receive orders to assassinate foreign leaders directly from the President:

....The Bush administration has concluded that executive orders banning assassination do not prevent the president from lawfully singling out a terrorist for death by covert action... Bush's directive broadens the class of potential targets beyond bin Laden and his immediate circle of operational planners, and also beyond the present boundaries of the fight in Afghanistan, officials said. But it also holds the potential to target violence more narrowly than its precedents of the past 25 years because previous findings did not permit explicit planning for the death of an individual ... nside the CIA and elsewhere in government,... much of the debate turns on the scope of a targeted killing campaign. How wide should the government draw the circle around bin Laden? And in which countries -- among the 40 or so where al Qaeda is believed to operate -- may such efforts be attempted?...

...The CIA's Directorate of Operations, which runs the clandestine service, is mindful of a traumatizing past in which assassination attempts in Africa, Latin America and the Middle East were blamed on rogue agents when they failed. The agency is determined to leave no room this time for "plausible denial" of responsibility on the part of the president and the agency's top management. That does not mean that operations will be publicly proclaimed, one source said, but that the paper trail inside government must begin undeniably with "the political leadership."

..."The important thing is that the accountability chain is clear," said John C. Gannon, who retired in June as deputy director of central intelligence,... "I would want the president's guidance to be as clear as it could be, including the names of individuals... With explicit authority, he said, "I think the case officers are capable (of targeted killing) and would follow instructions, and would, I think, have the capability of succeeding."

National security officials noted that the White House and at least three executive departments already maintain lists in which terrorists are singled out by name... One view, apparently a minority position but one expressed in private recently by two senior managers in the Directorate of Operations, is that the clandestine service should target not only commanders but also financiers of al Qaeda. "You have to go after the Gucci guys, the guys who write the checks," said one person reflecting that view. It is easier to find financiers, he said, and killing them would have dramatic impact because they are not commonly prepared to die for their cause... Rep. Robert L. Barr Jr. (R-Ga.)... said fundraisers are legitimate targets for death. "Under traditional terms of war, those who assist belligerents are belligerents," he said....

If Bush has drawn up such a list, it is among the most closely held secrets of government. It could not be learned whether names have been proposed to him by the clandestine service, or whether he has signed orders that would amount to individual death warrants ...

Spokesmen for the White House and the CIA declined to comment for this article. But the administration has laid down a public record that offers further evidence of the agency's new authority. (Washington Post, 29 October 2001, emphasis added)

American public opinion is led to believe that a policy of "targeted assassinations" in time of war is necessary to "fight evil" and uphold democracy: "White House officials have said that capturing bin Laden would be highly undesirable and he would be shot on sight rather than captured" (Daily Telegraph, 22 October 2001).



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AMERICAN LAW AND POLICY ON ASSASSINATIONS OF FOREIGN LEADERS: THE PRACTICALITY OF MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO

Nathan Canestaro*
Abstract: Suspending the ban on assassinations—as established in Executive Order 12333—serves no practical purpose. The Executive Order is not an obstacle to effective prosecution of the War on Terrorism; in fact, its reach is very limited. Although common sense might suggest that “assassination” equates with the targeted killing of a specific individual, the term is in fact a legal term of art with a very narrow definition derived from the Law of War. As a result, Executive Order 12333 only prohibits a very narrow spectrum of attacks in wartime or against clear threats to national security. As the United States has not typically engaged such means to attack “leadership targets” for several decades, publicly rescinding the offer now would grant no more freedom to act and only would serve to undermine the United States’ public diplomacy abroad.

Introduction
In the rush to vengeance after the September 11 attacks, it has been seriously suggested by a number of advocates, including scholars, journalists, and politicians, that the government remove all legal limitations on its use of assassination.1 They contend that the ability to eliminate key targets will be a necessary tool for our nation to prosecute its new war against terrorism.

No standing Federal law criminalizes the assassination of a foreign official outside the boundaries of the United States. In the ab[*PG2]sence of such a statute, only Executive Order 12333 prohibits the act of state-sponsored killing.2 This Order, which was drafted in the mid-1970s in the wake of revelations of government involvement in plots to kill several foreign leaders, has been maintained by every administration since President Ford. In recent years, however, there have been several attempts by Congress to override Executive Order 12333. The most recent of these initiatives is H.R. 19, the “Terrorist Elimination Act of 2001,” proposed in January of this year by Representative Barr of Georgia.3 The findings section of this bill states:

Past Presidents have issued Executive orders which severely limit the use of the military when dealing with potential threats against the United States of America; . . . these Executive orders limit the swift, sure, and precise action needed by the United States to protect our national security; present strategy allows the military to bomb large targets hoping to eliminate a terrorist leader, but prevents our country from designing a limited action which would specifically accomplish that purpose . . . .4

This paper will argue that any such legislation or other public revocation of the assassination ban would serve no practical purpose and will only injure the United States’ ability to pursue its interests overseas during a time of international crisis. There is little utility to be found in retracting Executive Order 12333, as neither it nor international law pose any serious obstacle to the use of assassination in the scenarios in which the United States would typically employ it. As with any Executive Order, it may be revised, revoked, or temporarily suspended by the President. Furthermore, each successive administration has carved out exceptions to Executive Order 12333 that have narrowed the scope of its restrictions.

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http://www.bc.edu/dam/files/schools/law/lawreviews/journals/bciclr/26_1/01_TXT.htm






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Of course it was. So was the killing of a US citizen without a trial. mbperrin Dec 2011 #1
Perhaps you can cite where shooting a fleeing fugitive has ever been deemed a war crime in any 24601 Dec 2011 #8
Perhaps you'd like to show where the person mentioned was fleeing from anything. mbperrin Dec 2011 #19
As you know, I responded to the killing of the US citizen who was not named in the preceeding 24601 Dec 2011 #22
That is of course the citizen I was referring to. mbperrin Dec 2011 #23
I'm still waiting for a credible court cite that it's a war crime to shoot a fleeing 24601 Dec 2011 #25
The 6th Amendment will cover my argument nicely. When's the last time an FBI sniper team took out a mbperrin Dec 2011 #27
I can't believe you bought the line about it being paid for. Give us all a laugh and go ask the 24601 Dec 2011 #30
Bond redemptions are done daily, routinely. If Treasury bonds are worth nothing, mbperrin Dec 2011 #32
The killing of Al Awlaki was a crime. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #33
Thanks for the great legal advice - should I ever rob a bank and end up with the FBI 24601 Dec 2011 #43
What were the charges against Al Awlaki? Was he even accused of robbing a bank? sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #44
Abe Lincoln killed hundreds of thousands of US citizens by his orders n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2011 #11
Yes, and I debated the topic "Was Abe Lincoln a War Criminal?" at the Lincoln Union debates mbperrin Dec 2011 #20
What do you expect from vote in a state that rebelled against the United States? Take the vote in 24601 Dec 2011 #31
I didn't ask any questions and would have voted "no he wasn't" at your grade school debate n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2011 #34
Sorry. It wasn't a grade school. It is a Tier I university, and the debate was held in a 2000 seat mbperrin Dec 2011 #35
fascinating, a one vote switch wins regardless of the overall tally Bacchus4.0 Dec 2011 #36
The switch measures persuasion. mbperrin Dec 2011 #37
not very persuasive n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2011 #41
Good luck getting that kid prosecuted. It's not like the "rebels" had Code of Conduct/Geneva MADem Dec 2011 #2
Yes, it most certainly was. In the same vein as Mussolini. joshcryer Dec 2011 #3
file under - when bad things happen to bad people. arely staircase Dec 2011 #17
Don't forget, they captured Saif, alive, and he will undergo a trial... joshcryer Dec 2011 #18
True, that. n/t Ghost Dog Dec 2011 #38
Didn't Bush declare assassinations of gov. leaders acceptable? Dover Dec 2011 #4
Crime or not, I'm glad Gaddafi is dead. center rising Dec 2011 #5
It won't be prosecuted. The ICC is just covering its @ss EFerrari Dec 2011 #29
Ok. ellisonz Dec 2011 #6
So many war crimes.... I wonder were this fits into the pile? midnight Dec 2011 #7
It was a Yankees fan who did it: Freddie Stubbs Dec 2011 #9
Tyrants reap what they sow. bluedigger Dec 2011 #10
What a bunch of wimps. Give me a break. closeupready Dec 2011 #12
May ? Looked like Summary Execution to me ... If that is not a war crime then what is ? n/t UndertheOcean Dec 2011 #13
We only recognize war crimes as actions we don't like gratuitous Dec 2011 #14
By that token, the whole revolution was a continuous war crime. closeupready Dec 2011 #16
Not really. The actual instigators of the Arab Spring were not violent EFerrari Dec 2011 #28
If you don't want a brutal, humiliating death....Don't be a despot. alphafemale Dec 2011 #15
Of course it was nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #21
Sob sob sob... CJvR Dec 2011 #24
The ICC better give the dead victims of Gaddafi the same respect by studying their deaths applegrove Dec 2011 #26
Yes. And maybe the US could join the ICC Ghost Dog Dec 2011 #39
America is really becoming good at War Crimes and Atrocities of late. NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #40
Big Words for the ICC. But they never back words with action. Countdown_3_2_1 Dec 2011 #42
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