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In reply to the discussion: Cheney backs Obama on drones [View all]Mutatis Mutandis
(90 posts)18. you forget a huge player: John Brennan, aka the royal executioner
John Brennan's killer drones are new symbol of America in the world
It is certainly not what he hoped or intended, but one of President Obamas biggest legacies in foreign affairs may prove to be the proliferation of drones as tools of war, assassination and terror.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-killer-drones-20130207,0,7056065.story
Obama is not the first to use drones to strike enemy targets, but the 300 attacks that have occurred on his watch are six times the number carried out under President George W. Bush. A new set of guidelines that give the president broad discretion in approving execution by drones, coupled with the current congressional hearings on the nomination of John Brennan as CIA director, have brought the drone debate front and center.
Civil libertarians and activists on the left see the use of missile-firing drones to take out suspected terrorists as a threat to the rule of law. They are particularly concerned that American citizens, such as Al Qaeda propagandist Anwar Awlaki, have been killed in drone strikes without a finding of guilt and sentencing in a U.S. court. At the opening of his confirmation hearing on Thursday, Brennan -- who, as Obamas counterterrorism advisor, has managed the deadly drone missions for four years -- was met by protesters shouting, Assassination is against the Constitution! You are betraying democracy!
Opponents of the drone attacks are making a principled point. A government free to kill citizens at will is truly the worst kind of Big Government nightmare. But few of the usual anti-government folks on the right are concerned about the drone hits. They consider the remote control killing of Al Qaeda operatives as completely justified, the equivalent of doing battle in a declared war, and any American who has joined the other side is merely getting what he deserves.
About 80% of Americans agree with that view and plenty of them are liberals and Democrats. Many see drone attacks as an improvement over commando raids and bombing runs. Drones do not put American soldiers directly at risk and they are far more precise than big bombs dropped from the sky, thus minimizing the collateral deaths of innocent bystanders. Those are pretty good debating points -- probably winning points.
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It is certainly not what he hoped or intended, but one of President Obamas biggest legacies in foreign affairs may prove to be the proliferation of drones as tools of war, assassination and terror.
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-killer-drones-20130207,0,7056065.story
Obama is not the first to use drones to strike enemy targets, but the 300 attacks that have occurred on his watch are six times the number carried out under President George W. Bush. A new set of guidelines that give the president broad discretion in approving execution by drones, coupled with the current congressional hearings on the nomination of John Brennan as CIA director, have brought the drone debate front and center.
Civil libertarians and activists on the left see the use of missile-firing drones to take out suspected terrorists as a threat to the rule of law. They are particularly concerned that American citizens, such as Al Qaeda propagandist Anwar Awlaki, have been killed in drone strikes without a finding of guilt and sentencing in a U.S. court. At the opening of his confirmation hearing on Thursday, Brennan -- who, as Obamas counterterrorism advisor, has managed the deadly drone missions for four years -- was met by protesters shouting, Assassination is against the Constitution! You are betraying democracy!
Opponents of the drone attacks are making a principled point. A government free to kill citizens at will is truly the worst kind of Big Government nightmare. But few of the usual anti-government folks on the right are concerned about the drone hits. They consider the remote control killing of Al Qaeda operatives as completely justified, the equivalent of doing battle in a declared war, and any American who has joined the other side is merely getting what he deserves.
About 80% of Americans agree with that view and plenty of them are liberals and Democrats. Many see drone attacks as an improvement over commando raids and bombing runs. Drones do not put American soldiers directly at risk and they are far more precise than big bombs dropped from the sky, thus minimizing the collateral deaths of innocent bystanders. Those are pretty good debating points -- probably winning points.
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...is a shit statement. About the only people speaking out are on the left.
Comrade Grumpy
Feb 2013
#11
Yeah, but jihadist terrorists have a particular tactic they developped for decades.
Amonester
Feb 2013
#47
Nothing in those articles is counter to anything I've said, nor do they verify what you have said
Ash_F
Feb 2013
#86
good thing the sun gives free energy and after the plants use the free energy it's there for humans.
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#56
I back Obama on drone use too. But Cheneny also wants troops on the ground right?
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#17
"I bet the countries that give the USA permission to root out the terrorists like the drones better"
Mutatis Mutandis
Feb 2013
#21
I know war is a terrible thing it is hell. I hate what Bush started, he made the USA a FAT target!
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#23
Both of bin Laden's fatwas against the USA where written well before that POS Bush became POTUS
Mutatis Mutandis
Feb 2013
#28
end the empiric wars, use fair trade, not guns, nationalise the Fed, break up the too-big-to-fail
Mutatis Mutandis
Feb 2013
#33
after shock and awe when bush beat his chest on that ship, mann did that make them hate the usa more
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#52
by "most countries" do you mean most of the people there? or their supreme leader?
Gentle-man
Feb 2013
#36
In many of those countries 90% or more can't read or write, so their Leaders control thebit of media
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#53
Thanks for explaining that in your mind, a country is the same as its leader
Gentle-man
Feb 2013
#63
why do you deflect from cheney the war criminal loves the killer drones, so Obama must be a bad man
Sunlei
Feb 2013
#64
Cheney and Obama see eye-2-eye on illegal "extra-judicial" killings by "Leader of the Free World"
panzerfaust
Feb 2013
#62