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magical thyme

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37. Sorry, you don't get to impose your definition on the world
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 10:30 AM
Feb 2013

In this post, you categorically state "that is not bullying" in the title, and then at the bottom of your post you amend it to say "No, that's not bullying by my definition." And then in your next post you try to extend your definition as one accepted by "most people." I'm sorry, but you don't get to tell "most people" what they believe based on your personal opinion.

From Wikipedia: "Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The UK currently has no legal definition of bullying,[4] while some U.S. states have laws against it.[5] Bullying consists of three basic types of abuse – emotional, verbal, and physical. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion* such as intimidation.

Bullying ranges from simple one-on-one bullying to more complex bullying in which the bully may have one or more "lieutenants" who may seem to be willing to assist the primary bully in his or her bullying activities. Bullying in school and the workplace is also referred to as peer abuse.[6] Robert W. Fuller has analyzed bullying in the context of rankism."

For the record, I don't think threatening to hurt somebody (or their animals) or threatening to fire somebody is particularly subtle. And it's not necessarily criminal.

For example, a manager with firing power can be very threatening and intimidating without having to actually resort to blatant threats. I was threatened last year by our lab manager, who makes a point of letting every new employee know her husband is a lawyer, when she started slamming her desk and desk drawers, looking for my file folder and growling legalese at me while she denied our job interview conversation regarding night shift.

And a manager's "lieutenants" (eg cronies) can achieve much mischief by bearing false witness against a targeted peer. None of which is criminal and can be impossible to prove. It simply becomes multiple employee's false words against one.

That said, I agree that we need to depend on an imperfect jury system, and trust that sooner or later repeat bulliers and stalkers will have posts hidden until they are PPRd (or peppered, as I like to call it).

I didn't see the self-deleted post you are responding to, but agree that "calling people out," especially in other threads, is counter-productive (and, imo, is a form of stalking and counter-bullying).

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"and bullies themselves" KamaAina Feb 2013 #1
I didn't know that about Dumbya. That is awful. It is even more awful that someone like that could raccoon Feb 2013 #29
I think one commentator did call him burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #70
We saw that first hand on a national stage with Cha Feb 2013 #2
Horrific consequences even when qualified as they do below....amazing. K&R Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #3
those of us who lived it know it shapes who you become. Overcoming the effects BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #4
It ought to be easy for non-bullies to stick up for victims too. DaveJ Feb 2013 #7
Sorry, that's not bullying. caseymoz Feb 2013 #11
I have a pretty broad definition of bullying. CBHagman Feb 2013 #17
Maybe not as broad as other peoples'. caseymoz Feb 2013 #19
Yes subjectivity enters into the equation. Welcome to life. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #24
You just bullied me! caseymoz Feb 2013 #27
Yes, I agree that my comment was rude and I apologize. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #30
Wow. We agree! caseymoz Feb 2013 #46
When one poster singles out another poster and calls them names rhett o rick Feb 2013 #22
Yeah, but the difference is . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #25
The trouble with the ignore button... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #26
Which is why you don't have to keep it on forever. caseymoz Feb 2013 #28
Really RobinA Feb 2013 #31
Thanks. caseymoz Feb 2013 #45
Every action people don't like is now "Bullying" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #33
I agree that this is a strict definition of bullying, but I think it's legitimate. DaveJ Feb 2013 #36
Sorry, you don't get to impose your definition on the world magical thyme Feb 2013 #37
Sorry, you don't get to either. caseymoz Feb 2013 #39
I don't understand why you are standing up against the misuse of the term 'bully'. DaveJ Feb 2013 #44
K & R. I'll never accept "Come on, we were just kids" or "Move on". Sorry. HughBeaumont Feb 2013 #5
Yeah, and "Time heals all wounds." like hell it does. nt uriel1972 Feb 2013 #6
uriel1972 Diclotican Feb 2013 #9
Heh, I've never been invited to a reunion... uriel1972 Feb 2013 #42
uriel1972 Diclotican Feb 2013 #47
You Can Contact Your High School For Reunion Details---If You Ever Want To. Paladin Feb 2013 #59
Yeah. A few of mine have, more than a few haven't. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #10
The article said ten years? caseymoz Feb 2013 #20
No it doesn't. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #58
I dread high school for my daughters although I know they probably (hopefully) won't Jennicut Feb 2013 #41
Redfairen Diclotican Feb 2013 #8
As somebody who experienced bullying and it's effects... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #12
I think our entire status ladder is determined by bullying. caseymoz Feb 2013 #15
that's the 2nd time you've claimed a definition of bullying magical thyme Feb 2013 #38
You need an authority figure to think with? caseymoz Feb 2013 #43
no, I do not "need an authority figure to think with" magical thyme Feb 2013 #49
If I cited an authority . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #61
you of course always have the option of putting me on ignore magical thyme Feb 2013 #63
Another thing I wanted to add magical thyme Feb 2013 #52
Bully is the word we use when "asshole" isn't appropriate. MindPilot Feb 2013 #60
When cyberbullying is becoming a crime caseymoz Feb 2013 #62
I would expand the definition a bit further than that... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #74
In those cases it depends upon . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #76
Yep, Bullying is Not Something RobinA Feb 2013 #32
elzenmahn Diclotican Feb 2013 #48
I know exactly of what you speak... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #75
elzenmahn Diclotican Feb 2013 #77
I was bullied also. burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #71
burnsei sensei Diclotican Feb 2013 #72
You know, I could have predicted all the findings here. caseymoz Feb 2013 #13
Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Feb 2013 #14
The surprise isn't in the headline. caseymoz Feb 2013 #16
Yup. Another Release From The Painfully Obvious Facts Bureau. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #35
I thought this was well known already. subterranean Feb 2013 #18
you know, back when I was in the prepubescent/early pubescent age group when bullying is probably Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #21
As a Elementary Kid RobinA Feb 2013 #34
Know all about that. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #54
And you never really recover from bullying by family members nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #51
that's so true shanti Feb 2013 #53
That is also true Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #55
Amen to that. nt raccoon Feb 2013 #73
I would only say and say from experience that one does not want to over dose on stewing about the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #57
maybe now it will get better... neversaydie Apr 2013 #78
Fucking DUH. Science discovers water is wet.... :( Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #23
Even with animals a stressful 'childhood' effects them the rest of their lives. Sunlei Feb 2013 #40
For years, I had trouble forgiving a guy who had bullied me in school. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #50
Wish I could say the same. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #56
Neither can I nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #66
For Many Years RobinA Feb 2013 #67
Absolutely LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #64
I left school in 9th grade, lied about my age, and passed my GED at 15, just to get away The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #68
I'm sure glad this is starting to be dealt with treestar Feb 2013 #69
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