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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
49. no, I do not "need an authority figure to think with"
Thu Feb 21, 2013, 12:29 PM
Feb 2013

But thank you for the thinly veiled attempt at manipulation and humiliation via oblique personal attack. Oddly, by some people's definitions, that would be defined as attempted verbal bullying, especially in light of the diversion into Pythagoras that followed. I suppose I could reply with a comment about your writing skills and reading comprehension, but that would be equally rude and wouldn't solve the disconnect here.

In any event, no need to apologize. My very low normal bp (100/60, bottom of normal range; thank you for asking) remained very low. In fact, you gave me a chuckle.

We are at "cross-posts" at this point; that is, I replied to 2 of your posts, after which you replied to 2 of mine. For convenience sake, I will reply to both of your replies here, albeit not in any particular order.

First, I asked for a reference because you have repeated defined bullying without qualifiers to clarify that it is your opinion, and with qualifiers that suggest your definition is a fact.

Second, I do *not* believe there is any one definition of bullying. That is the essence of both my replies to your posts. Note that the wiki quote I posted specifically does *not* define bullying; it states that bullying is hard to define and follows with a general description of common characteristics of bullying.

Third: lawyers presumably know the law. Btw, if you are citing a legal definition of bullying, that would be a useful qualifier.

Fourth: "I'm guessing that math isn't your forte, though."

Another attempted barb that missed the mark. You are guessing wrong. As it happens, I was an honors math student in jr. high, but changed directions in high school to psychology and fine arts. My 1st bachelors degree was in fine arts. Several decades later I returned to college for a medical science degree, completing pre-med level statistics with roughly a 98% average and pre-med level chemistry (mostly applied mathematics, and some physics) with roughly 100% average. My only grades that were less than "A" were in writing and literature (B+ and A- respectively); embarrassing since I made a very good living as a writer for nearly 2 decades. Despite those 2 "low" grades, in a program that was otherwise all applied mathematics and pre-med level and clinical sciences that incorporated applied mathematics, I graduated summa cum laude.

Now, the crux of my replies to your posts:

I am referring to word choices and specific qualifiers that you use. In only one post do you go on to qualify that definition as your personal opinion. Elsewhere, you claim that others are wrong for their opinions and you use qualifiers that suggest your definition is fact.

If you are going to claim something as fact, be prepared to cite a source for that fact. If you do not mean to claim something as fact, you may want to reconsider your wording and use qualifiers. A simple "imo" would clarify.


Here are examples of where you appear to claim your definition of bullying as fact, versus personal opinion:

"Sorry, that's not bullying.
Bullying are actions in childhood that are considered criminal when you're an adult, usually threats, physical assault, and extortion. Criticizing what people say, even emphatically, even in separate threads, isn't bullying. Unless their posts threaten someone, your family, defame your professional or private reputations, or your livelihood, it isn't bullying. On this site, that includes bringing private lives up for ridicule. In other words, if there are no consequence outside the cyberworld (and I'm not talking about emotional ones,) it's not bullying."

(80+ words to define bullying, what is is and what it is not. Only 3 words -- by my definition -- buried in the last paragraph state this is your personal opinion. And that is the *only* time you qualified it as personal opinion, in what is a very long and tangled thread.)

"People who think verbal exchanges compare to bullying have never been knocked out on a school yard before."

"Therefore, you're wrong. It's extremely different than the school yard, and you just never thought of the many ways before.

It isn't bullying."
(Someone is wrong because they define bullying differently than you -- that suggests a statement of fact, not a disagreement of opinion. More definition of what is/isn't bullying, without a qualifier.)


"Please remember: bullying is behavior in children that we would call criminal in adults. Things like threats, assault and extortion. It's not simple name-calling." (Again, a qualifier that suggests your definition is fact, instead of a more appropriate qualifier that what follows is opinion.)

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"and bullies themselves" KamaAina Feb 2013 #1
I didn't know that about Dumbya. That is awful. It is even more awful that someone like that could raccoon Feb 2013 #29
I think one commentator did call him burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #70
We saw that first hand on a national stage with Cha Feb 2013 #2
Horrific consequences even when qualified as they do below....amazing. K&R Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #3
those of us who lived it know it shapes who you become. Overcoming the effects BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2013 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Feb 2013 #4
It ought to be easy for non-bullies to stick up for victims too. DaveJ Feb 2013 #7
Sorry, that's not bullying. caseymoz Feb 2013 #11
I have a pretty broad definition of bullying. CBHagman Feb 2013 #17
Maybe not as broad as other peoples'. caseymoz Feb 2013 #19
Yes subjectivity enters into the equation. Welcome to life. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #24
You just bullied me! caseymoz Feb 2013 #27
Yes, I agree that my comment was rude and I apologize. rhett o rick Feb 2013 #30
Wow. We agree! caseymoz Feb 2013 #46
When one poster singles out another poster and calls them names rhett o rick Feb 2013 #22
Yeah, but the difference is . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #25
The trouble with the ignore button... Scootaloo Feb 2013 #26
Which is why you don't have to keep it on forever. caseymoz Feb 2013 #28
Really RobinA Feb 2013 #31
Thanks. caseymoz Feb 2013 #45
Every action people don't like is now "Bullying" alcibiades_mystery Feb 2013 #33
I agree that this is a strict definition of bullying, but I think it's legitimate. DaveJ Feb 2013 #36
Sorry, you don't get to impose your definition on the world magical thyme Feb 2013 #37
Sorry, you don't get to either. caseymoz Feb 2013 #39
I don't understand why you are standing up against the misuse of the term 'bully'. DaveJ Feb 2013 #44
K & R. I'll never accept "Come on, we were just kids" or "Move on". Sorry. HughBeaumont Feb 2013 #5
Yeah, and "Time heals all wounds." like hell it does. nt uriel1972 Feb 2013 #6
uriel1972 Diclotican Feb 2013 #9
Heh, I've never been invited to a reunion... uriel1972 Feb 2013 #42
uriel1972 Diclotican Feb 2013 #47
You Can Contact Your High School For Reunion Details---If You Ever Want To. Paladin Feb 2013 #59
Yeah. A few of mine have, more than a few haven't. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #10
The article said ten years? caseymoz Feb 2013 #20
No it doesn't. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #58
I dread high school for my daughters although I know they probably (hopefully) won't Jennicut Feb 2013 #41
Redfairen Diclotican Feb 2013 #8
As somebody who experienced bullying and it's effects... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #12
I think our entire status ladder is determined by bullying. caseymoz Feb 2013 #15
that's the 2nd time you've claimed a definition of bullying magical thyme Feb 2013 #38
You need an authority figure to think with? caseymoz Feb 2013 #43
no, I do not "need an authority figure to think with" magical thyme Feb 2013 #49
If I cited an authority . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #61
you of course always have the option of putting me on ignore magical thyme Feb 2013 #63
Another thing I wanted to add magical thyme Feb 2013 #52
Bully is the word we use when "asshole" isn't appropriate. MindPilot Feb 2013 #60
When cyberbullying is becoming a crime caseymoz Feb 2013 #62
I would expand the definition a bit further than that... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #74
In those cases it depends upon . . . caseymoz Feb 2013 #76
Yep, Bullying is Not Something RobinA Feb 2013 #32
elzenmahn Diclotican Feb 2013 #48
I know exactly of what you speak... elzenmahn Feb 2013 #75
elzenmahn Diclotican Feb 2013 #77
I was bullied also. burnsei sensei Feb 2013 #71
burnsei sensei Diclotican Feb 2013 #72
You know, I could have predicted all the findings here. caseymoz Feb 2013 #13
Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award rocktivity Feb 2013 #14
The surprise isn't in the headline. caseymoz Feb 2013 #16
Yup. Another Release From The Painfully Obvious Facts Bureau. (nt) Paladin Feb 2013 #35
I thought this was well known already. subterranean Feb 2013 #18
you know, back when I was in the prepubescent/early pubescent age group when bullying is probably Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #21
As a Elementary Kid RobinA Feb 2013 #34
Know all about that. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #54
And you never really recover from bullying by family members nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #51
that's so true shanti Feb 2013 #53
That is also true Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #55
Amen to that. nt raccoon Feb 2013 #73
I would only say and say from experience that one does not want to over dose on stewing about the Douglas Carpenter Feb 2013 #57
maybe now it will get better... neversaydie Apr 2013 #78
Fucking DUH. Science discovers water is wet.... :( Fire Walk With Me Feb 2013 #23
Even with animals a stressful 'childhood' effects them the rest of their lives. Sunlei Feb 2013 #40
For years, I had trouble forgiving a guy who had bullied me in school. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2013 #50
Wish I could say the same. Joe Bacon Feb 2013 #56
Neither can I nightscanner59 Feb 2013 #66
For Many Years RobinA Feb 2013 #67
Absolutely LiberalEsto Feb 2013 #64
I left school in 9th grade, lied about my age, and passed my GED at 15, just to get away The Flaming Red Head Feb 2013 #68
I'm sure glad this is starting to be dealt with treestar Feb 2013 #69
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