Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
5. The problem with this whole approach is that the base rate of bizarre behavior
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
Feb 2013

is much, MUCH higher than the base rate of mass/serial homicide.

Suppose there are 100 mass killings a year in the US, and about 5 in 100 people exhibit worrisome symptoms.

Further suppose that, eliminating women and young children as potential killers, you end up with a total pool of 150 million potential killers (males in the right age groups).

If 5% of those 150 million people are screened in for further examination based on their worrisome symptoms, you have a pool of 6 million potential killers, of whom 100 will actually commit hienous crimes. What are you going to do--treat/confine 6 million in order to stop 100? And that's assuming that your net doesn't let any slip through. It would be remarkable if your net were good enough to identify half of the potential killers (the others not having shown sufficient overt signs to warrant inclusion). So now you are confining or otherwise majorly interfering with 6 million people in order to stop 50 of them. In order to stop one mass murder, you will need to somehow intervene on 120,000 non-killers who "look dangerous" but in fact aren't.

And all of this is a best-case scenario.

About 3% of the population is psychotic (schizophrenic, severely bipolar, etc.), and would surely be among the ones netted up. Yet the incidence of homicide among schizophrenics is about the same as in the general population. You will have spent a whole helluva lot of money & resources rounding up a very large number of people who are at no greater risk of doing horrific things than is the general population.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

"...stopping it before it happens." greiner3 Feb 2013 #1
I just wonder how this would stop somebody CreekDog Feb 2013 #27
Good idea. Here's my starter list ... Scuba Feb 2013 #2
How about anyone related to George W. Bush? xocet Feb 2013 #11
Here's more: Brigid Feb 2013 #18
Glen Beck Aerows Feb 2013 #20
"new regulations on guns ... won't stop someone from shooting up a school" PSPS Feb 2013 #3
"...identifying those with dangerous mental illness..." greiner3 Feb 2013 #4
The problem with this whole approach is that the base rate of bizarre behavior Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #5
^^^^^^^^~THIS~^^^^^^^^^ cliffordu Feb 2013 #10
True - if I had to report every nutjob-talking-crazy I run across at work bhikkhu Feb 2013 #13
Stop making sense! We should be jailing anyone who looks suspicious. That will stop ... Scuba Feb 2013 #19
+1 Peter cotton Feb 2013 #26
That reporting goes for police and security training 'schools' also right? Sunlei Feb 2013 #6
Yes, of course. If they don't seem dangerous, Jackpine Radical Feb 2013 #23
McCarthyism davidthegnome Feb 2013 #7
When I saw "-R" after his name I went "good grief". alp227 Feb 2013 #17
I just don't have the time or energy to report everyone in the Tea Party. Lock me up I guess. n/t broadcaster75201 Feb 2013 #8
My most FAVORITE part.... cliffordu Feb 2013 #9
That scares the shit out of me. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2013 #30
Hope they all phone in about Wayne LaPierre ! Overseas Feb 2013 #12
About which the police would do....what? Grins Feb 2013 #14
Replying to my own post... Grins Feb 2013 #15
May I suggest that turning teachers and health care people into stoolies for the cops bemildred Feb 2013 #16
If it saves just one life right? madville Feb 2013 #21
My friend is a teacher eilen Feb 2013 #22
Ok, so that idea won't work Leslie Valley Feb 2013 #24
I'd start with reporting the entire congress ...then move on to the Koch brothers and like ilk. n/t L0oniX Feb 2013 #25
I have lots of worry about this. This is down the road of nazi Germany. We southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #28
Especially since the U.S. is so fond of secret prisons and torture..... lib2DaBone Feb 2013 #29
Wow I didn't know that. Before you know it our children will be reporting us. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #33
Just another way to lock people up without any real treatment. Live and Learn Feb 2013 #31
...at the same time they're trying to take away our tenure, they think we'll report crazies? lindysalsagal Feb 2013 #32
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Legislation would require...»Reply #5