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Purveyor

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8. Or the second time...perhaps?
Sat Feb 23, 2013, 10:27 PM
Feb 2013

The government of Iran announced that the aircraft was brought down by its Cyber warfare unit stationed near Kashmar[3][4][5][6] and "brought down with minimum damage"[7] They said the aircraft was detected in Iranian airspace some 225 kilometers (140 mi) from the border with Afghanistan.[8]

The government of the United States initially claimed that its forces in Afghanistan had lost control of a UAV on 4 December 2011 and that there was a possibility that this is the vehicle that crashed near Kashmar. According to unnamed U.S. officials, a U.S. UAV operated by the Central Intelligence Agency was flying on the Afghan side of the Afghanistan-Iran border when its operators lost control of the vehicle.[9][10] There have been reports that "foreign officials and American experts who have been briefed on the effort" state that the crashed UAV was taking part in routine surveillance of Iranian nuclear facilities inside Iranian airspace.[11]

The drone appeared to be largely intact, except for possible minor visible damage on its left wing. Dan Goure, an analyst at the Lexington Institute, stated the largely intact airframe ruled out the possibility of an engine or navigational malfunction: "Either this was a cyber/electronic warfare attack system that brought the system down or it was a glitch in the command-and-control system."[12] Stephen Trimble from Flight Global assumes[13] UAV guidance could be targeted by 1L222 Avtobaza radar jamming and deception system supplied to Iran by Russia.

The Department of Defense released a statement acknowledging that it had lost control of a UAV during the previous week, claiming that it was "flying a mission over western Afghanistan" when control was lost. The statement did not specify the model of the aircraft. The U.S. government also stated that it was still investigating the cause of the loss.[14]

A Christian Science Monitor article relates an Iranian engineer's assertion that the drone was captured by jamming both satellite and land-originated control signals to the UAV, followed up by a GPS spoofing attack that fed the UAV false GPS data to make it land in Iran at what the drone thought was its home base in Afghanistan. In an interview for Nova, U.S. retired Lt. General David Deptula also said "There was a problem with the aircraft and it landed in an area it wasn't supposed to land".[15][16] American aeronautical engineers dispute this, pointing out that as is the case with the MQ-1 Predator, the MQ-9 Reaper, and the Tomahawk (missile), "GPS is not the primary navigation sensor for the RQ-170... The vehicle gets its flight path orders from an inertial navigation system".[17] Inertial navigation continues to be used on military aircraft despite the advent of GPS because GPS signal jamming and spoofing are relatively simple operations.[18]

US acknowledgement

On 6 December 2011, U.S. officials acknowledged that a drone crashed in or near Iranian airspace and that this belonged to the CIA and not to ISAF as was earlier stated. U.S. officials did not state that the drone shown on Iranian television was actually a real RQ-170 (which has been public knowledge since 2009),[19] although a former U.S. official confirmed that the drone shown on the Iranian state media was a U.S. RQ-170, used for surveillance of Tehran's nuclear facilities.

On 5 December 2011, U.S. military sources confirmed that the remains of an RQ-170 had been captured by Iranian forces. However, media reports indicated that various U.S. officials declined to confirm whether or not the drone in the video released by Iranian state television was authentic.[20] On 8 December 2011, a senior U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, told the Washington Post that the U.S. cannot be certain the drone shown was real because the U.S. does not have access to it, but also stated that "We have no indication that it was brought down by hostile fire."[14] A second senior U.S. military official said that a major question is how the drone could have remained "virtually intact," given the high altitude from which it is said to have crashed. U.S. Navy Captain John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, told a news conference on 8 December 2011 that Pentagon analysts were examining the video.[21] Both Kirby and fellow spokesman George Little would not comment further on whether the U.S. military believed the drone was the one missing, both did say that the missing drone had not been recovered.[21] However, later that day, CBS reported that the US officials have confirmed in private the authenticity of the drone shown by the Iranians.[22]

Various experts interviewed by CNN stated that the drone looked real and noted a lack of damage that a firefight would have inflicted. They posited that system failure such as a "flat spin" or "falling leaf departure" would have resulted in damage to the belly of the aircraft but little damage to other components.[21]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident

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they usually straight off say iamthebandfanman Feb 2013 #1
Iran isn't necessarily an aggressive country so that wouldn't be in their interests at this time. Purveyor Feb 2013 #2
not aggressive? iamthebandfanman Feb 2013 #3
Look how the USA has taken care of OWS. How many DUers are against them or question their motives? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #6
No they do not participate in other countrys like we do. They never start wars.. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #25
Their proxies definitely fight wars hack89 Feb 2013 #47
The media's done a fine job of making iran look like a moustache-twirling villain Scootaloo Feb 2013 #4
"Suicide bomber drone?" Aren't those normally called "missiles?" (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2013 #11
I understand the economic sancitions but I resent the communication cutoff between our societies. Sunlei Feb 2013 #51
Might try explaining that to the 52 Americans held hostage for over a year. nt cstanleytech Feb 2013 #17
The US was using its embassy for covert operations in Iran. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #18
Every government down through history has used their embassies to spy on other countries. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #19
The US wasn't just using its embassy to spy. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #21
I never said the US was lily white pure ron, just that the 55 might have a difference of opinion. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #28
The US and British governments ronnie624 Feb 2013 #44
So you believe if we ignore the government of Iran then that they will be less insane? cstanleytech Feb 2013 #45
We should normalize relations with Iran. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #50
I dont think normalizing relations is likely as long as Iran keeps on ignoring cstanleytech Feb 2013 #52
Iran is entitled to develop nuclear power, as per the NPT. ronnie624 Feb 2013 #53
Yet thats not always the case with nations, take N Korea for example. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #54
Hi ronnie, just thought you might enjoy a little update over the IAEA and Iran since cstanleytech Mar 2013 #56
Hi there. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #59
And did you notice where Yukiya Amano the Director General for the IAEA said cstanleytech Mar 2013 #60
No, I didn't. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #61
Try this link cstanleytech Mar 2013 #66
Can you point out, specifically, ronnie624 Mar 2013 #67
Could I? Probably. Will I? No. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #68
Iran is providing the cooperation that is required by its agreements with the IAEA. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #69
From those links I provided officials with the IAEA would appear to disagree with you ron. cstanleytech Mar 2013 #70
When was the last time a US presidency was overthrown by a foreign government? Ash_F Feb 2013 #23
Were all the 55 at fault for that Ash? No, they were not. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #27
I didn't say that. Ash_F Feb 2013 #30
"I didn't say that." Just like I didnt say our government hasnt screwed up. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #31
You understand it was an American led coup that ousted their democratically elected leadership? Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #26
All of them? That is actually news to me. Got a link to official documentation stating that they cstanleytech Feb 2013 #29
Not spies, agents of a foreign power, very very different. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #32
You mean like Jerry Plotkin? cstanleytech Feb 2013 #33
I'll take you you have never heard of neoliberlism. Do a little light reading Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #35
I'll take it then that you were not aware of Plotkin then. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #36
So you don't understand the role business people play in neoliberalism? Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #37
I understand just fine........whats going on here. cstanleytech Feb 2013 #38
Agents of a foreign power, never said government. Obviously close reading isn't your strong point Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #39
Interesting, so now you are claiming Plotkin was an agent for the US? Never heard that one to be cstanleytech Feb 2013 #40
Here is a link on neoliberlism, it should clear everything up for you. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #41
So, how do you figure that proves your claim that Jerry Plotkin was cstanleytech Feb 2013 #42
Once again your close reading is terrible agent of a foreign power, not spy or government employee Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #43
Ah yes the "you lack reading comprehension" escape card, well played sir, well played indeed. nt cstanleytech Feb 2013 #46
1953 green for victory Mar 2013 #58
Theories? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #5
This is not the first one in Iran's possession, and the first one was one of ours. xtraxritical Feb 2013 #12
It was a nice one, too. OnyxCollie Feb 2013 #13
You are asking why they won't use them to bomb US military? Ash_F Feb 2013 #22
LOL this time for sure. Robb Feb 2013 #7
Or the second time...perhaps? Purveyor Feb 2013 #8
You're no dummy. Riddle us this: Robb Feb 2013 #9
Which one? Today announcement or the one the US acknowledged they have from 2011? Purveyor Feb 2013 #10
I still think they get the ones we want them to get... WheelWalker Feb 2013 #14
LOL. Would make for a good Faux Knews fantasy segment. Of course they are that stupid, indeed. Purveyor Feb 2013 #15
Iran's Revolutionary Guard denies drone capture Bosonic Feb 2013 #16
Thanks for the update. I've included it in the OP. eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #24
Shoot. I hope they don't steal the technology and then use them shcrane71 Feb 2013 #20
Did it look like this? LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #34
They got that one drone we saw it in Irans pictures and we officially asked for it back. Sunlei Feb 2013 #48
There is an article in the second half of the OP with the Revolutionary Guard denying they Purveyor Feb 2013 #49
Frickin' Predator engines made in China. nt cbrer Feb 2013 #55
Probably an American or Israeli drone Cali_Democrat Mar 2013 #57
As opposed to a DOMESTIC "enemy drone"? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #62
Maybe a foreign friendly drone. bluedigger Mar 2013 #63
We need a Disney-like graphic for that... Ken Burch Mar 2013 #64
Done bluedigger Mar 2013 #65
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