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davidthegnome

(2,983 posts)
41. Despicable
Fri Mar 1, 2013, 04:05 AM
Mar 2013

I remember when this was discussed in regards to Florida. I had a fairly short debate (short because they all eventually told me to shut up about it before they became very "angry" with my ignorance) with two of my sisters and my girlfriend at the time. Basically, they told me that anyone who is using their welfare money to buy drugs should absolutely lose it. They seemed to have this mental image of welfare families buying an xbox, a new television, paying for vacations with their "Huge" government checks. It's also definitely worth noting that none of the above had ever received federal assistance of any sort, so their ideas of how the system work are opinions based on... well, whatever they think the "terrible, lazy people" on welfare are doing.

Both sisters I argued with are democrats, and registered voters who actually vote. I can see them gleefully voting yes to test welfare recipients for drugs. They would argue that catching even just one or two people that abuse the system would make it worth it. Why? It would satisfy their anger, their disgust with people that they see as less than them, people they believe don't work as hard, don't try as hard, haven't earned the right to... well, even to survive, apparently.

To say that this makes me angry is an understatement. I don't know how otherwise intelligent people are somehow continuing to buy this nonsense that welfare recipients are all lazy, don't work, do lots of drugs... spend tax payer dollars primarily on booze, cigarettes, or leisure items. Numerous studies indicate that welfare recipients are few in number in comparison to the overall population. Numerous studies indicate that the vast, vast majority eventually no longer rely upon the system. Numerous studies indicate as well, that the vast majority of those who receive federal assistance also work and do not rely on the assistance for more than half of their income.

Realistically, I think a lot of those on the other side of this debate are aware of this. Somehow their anger, their fury, their resentment for those who receive any sort of assistance is just... toxic. Has the right framed this issue so well that intelligent people not only believe the lie, but are ready to grab their torches and pitchforks in support of it?

This Paulette Beaudoin is proposing legislation that is moronic, counter-productive and just bizarre. All of these people who are so angry should try to apply for TANF. Let them meet the social workers of this system they rant about. Let them face the humiliation, the sneers, the condescending attitudes and the outright hatred from people who think they are somehow superior. If they are still angry afterwards, I suspect it will be for a different reason.

Yes, let's drug test her - and any idiot that ever proposes this kind of legislation without having even a semi-adequate understanding of how the system works. Without having even a little knowledge of those who rely upon it.

Ugh.

Ditto WTF! elleng Feb 2013 #1
Fucking idiot. bluedigger Feb 2013 #2
Like everyone else is? Since when is ME testing everyone? MADem Feb 2013 #22
Well how about them? They are getting paid by the citizens. They are government employees. southernyankeebelle Feb 2013 #29
Absolutely! FarPoint Mar 2013 #33
Yep. However, it really is a waste of money. FL has done it and come to find out it southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #47
Sorry....I didn't identify properly...my bad. FarPoint Mar 2013 #48
It's ok. Another old saying "A Pig can't smell it's own hole". Republicans are pigs. southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #50
Hey, now! IrishAyes Mar 2013 #67
Actually I love pigs. In Germany pigs are good luck. I collect them. I just thought southernyankeebelle Mar 2013 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Mar 2013 #73
Random drug testing should be imposed AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #3
Random hell! bluedigger Feb 2013 #5
OK. I'm in with that. AnotherMcIntosh Feb 2013 #10
And test for alcohol!!! Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #14
LOL! bluedigger Feb 2013 #17
Allen's makes a coffee brandy? I never knew! MADem Feb 2013 #23
You have no idea... bluedigger Feb 2013 #24
How could I have missed this? I need to get out more! MADem Feb 2013 #25
Just stop at the State liquor store on 95 in NH. bluedigger Feb 2013 #28
I pass that store all the time when I go up to northern ME... MADem Mar 2013 #72
Brandy IrishAyes Mar 2013 #68
they like it mixed with 1/2 & 1/2 or milk. Maine-ah Feb 2013 #32
Sort of like a downscale Baileys! MADem Mar 2013 #36
Blender it with some cheap vanilla ice cream Mopar151 Mar 2013 #39
With a stiff penalty to booth roxy1234 Mar 2013 #56
Fuck her MotherPetrie Feb 2013 #4
Or, as Republicans call it... LTR Feb 2013 #6
And this is a DEMOCRAT? RT_Fanatic Feb 2013 #7
Rec for wider exposure. "everybody else" is drug tested? WTF? uppityperson Feb 2013 #8
They don't care because it was never about saving money . . . markpkessinger Feb 2013 #12
Also about MAKING money for whoever owns the firm responsible for testing... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #57
"Also about MAKING money for whoever owns the firm ..." That seems to be right. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #59
IIRC, this was tried in Florida and the cost of the testing Arkansas Granny Feb 2013 #9
Fuck the Deficits!! We will spare NO expense 99th_Monkey Feb 2013 #11
Not only that Kelvin Mace Feb 2013 #15
The author of that Huffington Post article over-stated what the 11th Circuit did. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #60
How to respond: "I'll take a drug test if you'll take an IQ test." Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #13
Random drug testing violates the Fourth Amendment. Comrade Grumpy Feb 2013 #16
what if your boss is the gov't? ie. the military. littlewolf Feb 2013 #18
The civilian Federal government doesn't really drug test. bluedigger Feb 2013 #31
Primary them. nt onehandle Feb 2013 #19
we can't! you don't understand. try and be sensible for gawds sake!!1 frylock Feb 2013 #26
but being back on subject: littlewolf Feb 2013 #20
I would think timdog44 Feb 2013 #21
Great point! I suggest she fill her pee cup in public so we can tell if it's really hers, too. freshwest Mar 2013 #44
Some lawmaker in Kansas timdog44 Mar 2013 #45
They're really arguing over disrespecting humans and treating them as animals. freshwest Mar 2013 #61
Sorry about the headache. Very aggravating. timdog44 Mar 2013 #62
Thanks. And agree with you on all your points. freshwest Mar 2013 #63
Thank you IrishAyes Mar 2013 #69
Thank you. Today is a better day. I hope that people will reason this out with open minds. freshwest Mar 2013 #70
that dime is getting thinner and thinner frylock Feb 2013 #27
What these bills are all about is convincing people nobodyspecial Feb 2013 #30
Damn it, it's poverty that CAUSES the drug use, not the other way around. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #34
what IS this garbage??? Skittles Mar 2013 #35
Drug testing for ANYONE is a gross violation of Constitutional rights Proletariatprincess Mar 2013 #37
Every study has shown that welfare recipients have lower incidences of drug use Fearless Mar 2013 #38
Linky? 1983law Mar 2013 #40
Here you go. PotatoChip Mar 2013 #53
Rock on 1983law Mar 2013 #65
Despicable davidthegnome Mar 2013 #41
I don't think the right reframed it better. The US always had a powerful puritanical streak. Selatius Mar 2013 #42
Well Bigredhunk Mar 2013 #43
This is nonsense, and it is isn't gonna fly. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #46
I hope a REAL Dem. primaries her, come the spring of 2014. PotatoChip Mar 2013 #54
She actually has been pretty progressive on most things, but this is just weird. RBInMaine Mar 2013 #64
So the "Democrat" representing Ed Muskie's hometown is a co-sponsor? WTF indeed. Scuba Mar 2013 #49
Let's drug test the politicians first! They, are the ones that can cause real harm to millions of RKP5637 Mar 2013 #51
Goodness! Turbineguy Mar 2013 #52
What a damn waste of money, too. mainer Mar 2013 #55
Those who test positive They_Live Mar 2013 #58
Sickening IrishAyes Mar 2013 #66
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