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naaman fletcher

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25. I think that same analysis applies here though..

Tue Mar 5, 2013, 12:47 PM

Mar 2013

I don't think the prosecution should be going for murder, I think they should be going for manslaughter.

This, by the way, is the same thing that happened in the original Rodney King trial. The officers were charged with the equivalent of attempted murder, so it was easy for the defense to argue "if we were trying to kill him we would have, and we would not have called an ambulance". Obviously this is not a defense of those cops, or Anthony, or Zimmerman here, but over-charging in the face of public outrage can backfire. Zimmerman is going to argue that he did not set out to kill Trayvon.. that is not why he was there. He will say he was attacked and that his wounds prove it.

He will get off on the murder charge.

However, he is guilty of manslaughter for being the cause of the deadly confrontation overall, even though his purpose was not murder.

Please, I am not on Zimmerman's side, but he did not wake up that day and say "im gonna kill a black kid", and it will be easy for him to convince the jury of that.

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Zimmerman Stuns Court, Waives Right to 'Stand Your Ground' Hearing in Trayvon Martin Case [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 OP

once again, yahoo, he was NOT a "neighborhood watch captain"--he was nothing more than a niyad Mar 2013 #1

Wasn't he retroactively self promoted to neighborhood watch captain? nt Progressive dog Mar 2013 #4

pretty much niyad Mar 2013 #7

it would be fewer words to say "neighborhood vigilante" too yurbud Mar 2013 #18

But 1 extra syllable! AAO Mar 2013 #31

and some TV reporters might think it's a new kind of SUV yurbud Mar 2013 #144

yurbud - I may be culturally behind, I was born in '54 after all... AAO Mar 2013 #149

I meant the TV reporters wouldn't know what a vigilante is yurbud Mar 2013 #153

Yeah, even enough Grey Goose will give you a splitting headache. AAO Mar 2013 #154

You could probably come up with a whole line of cars like that to appeal to right wingers: yurbud Mar 2013 #157

And don't forget the famous "Bentley My Ass!". AAO Mar 2013 #158

Yep. That's exactly what he was. tblue Mar 2013 #57

Yeah, he's out on bail - with an ankle bracelet csziggy Mar 2013 #120

Bail was required by state law Tempest Mar 2013 #122

Yes, but it went from $150,000 to a million csziggy Mar 2013 #131

Not true Tempest Mar 2013 #51

please show links to this because I seem to recall that neighborhood watch said he was not one niyad Mar 2013 #126

I posted links to the document dumps earlier. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #127

well, could you at least post the link to that, since I did not see it? niyad Mar 2013 #128

You got to be $#%^&%$ kidding me! Tempest Mar 2013 #129

I do ask your forgiveness for not realizing that you had posted that document dump in this thread, niyad Mar 2013 #132

And I apologize for jumping all over you Tempest Mar 2013 #133

not a problem. I can understand the frustration of dealing with ignorance, living as I do in niyad Mar 2013 #136

Wow. Rude. That really surprised me. ...nt TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #147

It doesn't matter Travelman Mar 2013 #138

I don't have the facts to back this up.... ReRe Mar 2013 #141

This is precisely WHY it doesn't matter Travelman Mar 2013 #142

Of course it wouldn't matter... ReRe Mar 2013 #143

No. Travelman Mar 2013 #145

So, you've read all the "police reports"? ReRe Mar 2013 #146

Yes, I've read them Travelman Mar 2013 #148

What about the Lion's Club? Credit Union? (bwahahahhaha) n/t AAO Mar 2013 #151

Iv'e never done this before. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ! AAO Mar 2013 #150

going all in.. frylock Mar 2013 #2

I guess he figured he has little chance of winning the hearing. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #3

yup. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #23

And to lose the hearing would have given negitive momentum. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #46

Yup. Tempest Mar 2013 #52

Thanks for the information Gothmog Mar 2013 #58

"It is clear to me that SYG should not apply when you pursue the victim" Tempest Mar 2013 #61

If this case isnt about SYG, Zim will lose a lot of common citizen support. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #66

He already has Tempest Mar 2013 #67

Everything comes out in discovery BlueStreak Mar 2013 #113

IMO, this is the attorneys decision to maximize their own exposure and legal fees. denverbill Mar 2013 #5

Alternative view - defense doesn't want to show it's cards until there is a jury. 24601 Mar 2013 #125

Yea where are his defenders now hum. Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #6

Well, a lot of long time gungeoners were banned after Sandy Hook. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #28

wow I did not know this Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #32

If you want to see that, go to Huffington Post and search on any GZ story. Tempest Mar 2013 #49

I've given up on Huff Post. Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #76

That's a shame Tempest Mar 2013 #78

Where are those that claimed he would get off thanks to SYG? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #63

In hiding until this dies down. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #68

Undoubtedly hoping some mean person doesn't dig up all those inconvenient posts. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #74

If you want to really be amused... Tempest Mar 2013 #77

I can understand why GZ+family are doing it (*not* sympathize, mind you) friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #88

I personally believe there's something behind the "SYG law= license to kill" Tempest Mar 2013 #91

ISTR at least a couple of bullshit claims which failed. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #94

I'm not sure what you mean in your headline Tempest Mar 2013 #96

A certain number of the undoubtedly guilty will get away with crimes. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #100

Actually, gang bangers are fairly intelligent Tempest Mar 2013 #102

Majority white Florida jury = Not Guilty. onehandle Mar 2013 #8

Exactly. jsr Mar 2013 #11

Can you show me the proof of that, please? nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #14

He can't prove it. It's his opinion. You'll have to wait and see if he's right of wrong. AAO Mar 2013 #33

There'll be at least one bigot and/or paranoid gun nut on the jury, probably more. Hoyt Mar 2013 #27

Not true Tempest Mar 2013 #53

My point -- mistrial. How many times do you think prosecutor will retry? Hoyt Mar 2013 #60

If you read anything about Corey Tempest Mar 2013 #62

Florida bigotry and gun nuttery are going to be hard to overcome. Hoyt Mar 2013 #69

The state had nothing to do with his initial release Tempest Mar 2013 #71

Well we can speculate all day. I didn't think he'd get bail, but he did. So right now, things are Hoyt Mar 2013 #97

Why would you think he wouldn't get bail? Tempest Mar 2013 #101

Even with a flight risk? I am not well versed in Florida law. Ash_F Mar 2013 #104

Yup. Messed up, isn't it? But that's Florida for you. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #108

Indeed. I bet there are cases where people more deserving don't get it though. /nt Ash_F Mar 2013 #109

Read the transcript of the bail hearing Tempest Mar 2013 #110

What percentage of Floridians are gun-nuts/bigots? Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #111

2.7 per square mile. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #112

i agree that he will walk blueknight Mar 2013 #114

Based on what? n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #115

Not in this case Tempest Mar 2013 #50

There is no incentive to sue Zimmerman - no money csziggy Mar 2013 #121

Garnishment of future wages. Tempest Mar 2013 #123

But Zimmerman has never made much money csziggy Mar 2013 #130

Wrongful death cases are rarely about the money Tempest Mar 2013 #134

Zimmerman probably hopes that the judge will exclude JDPriestly Mar 2013 #9

These court "observers" who are "stunned" don't know much about trials. former9thward Mar 2013 #10

That was my first thought too. If it was struck down in a hearing, he definitely loses the trial. stevenleser Mar 2013 #155

I'm hoping I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling he's going to beat this charge Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #12

Just going to use a self-defense strategy. He claims Trayvon attacked him first. sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #13

His story makes zero sense though. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #19

Neither does Jodi Arias' make any sense and she's claiming self-defense in her sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #20

playing devils advocate: naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #24

Mistrial if O'Mara brings up drugs Tempest Mar 2013 #37

ok.. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #39

I hope they do attack him Tempest Mar 2013 #44

good point. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #45

Gangster + thug = zimmerman Boabab Mar 2013 #85

For every shovel of dirt O'Mara has, Corey has a dump truck's worth. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #86

It really comes down to the jury pool. Anyone know where they will pull from? /nt Ash_F Mar 2013 #99

Driver license rolls in Florida, I believe Tempest Mar 2013 #103

So, all across Florida? Ash_F Mar 2013 #105

State case, statewide. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #107

And it makes even less sense in light of the physical evidence Tempest Mar 2013 #36

It's on the prosecutor to disprove GZ's claim JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2013 #116

Yes and no. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #117

Yup. In self defense, the burden of proof is mainly on the defendent. Tempest Mar 2013 #118

I was on a jury, 2d degree murder, with self-defense as the Defense tactic JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2013 #119

What kind of physical evidence was available? Tempest Mar 2013 #124

If he gets anything more than probation a suspended sentance and time served, I'll be very surprised marble falls Mar 2013 #15

Doubtful... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #83

I've been noticing it's the low count posters making these claims Tempest Mar 2013 #87

Why would this 'stun the court'? His lawyer has been saying this for 6+ months. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #16

Actually, O'Mara has been going back and forth on it Tempest Mar 2013 #38

Jury Nullification Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #17

I don't think Simpson or Anthony constituted true jury nullification. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #21

I think that same analysis applies here though.. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #25

They went with murder so manslaughter could be on the table Tempest Mar 2013 #40

ah ok. I stand corrected. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #41

Different degrees of murder. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #64

And any conviction will help the Martin family's wrongful death lawsuit. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #72

2nd degree murder in Florida cheyanne Mar 2013 #135

Yep. sofa king Mar 2013 #22

His father the "judge"? onenote Mar 2013 #29

Really kind of a minor point Tempest Mar 2013 #30

when the claim is that dad's expertise will help him put together a "near perfect defense" onenote Mar 2013 #34

You're making a claim which doesn't exist Tempest Mar 2013 #42

"He will have a near-perfect defense, thanks to his father the judge, and I expect them to onenote Mar 2013 #47

Sounds like the Standers don't want their law challenged and made it clear to the murderer. nt valerief Mar 2013 #26

This case is over after jury selection... Moostache Mar 2013 #35

I wouldn't count on it Tempest Mar 2013 #43

The jury has more in-depth access to evidence than we do Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #159

I do not see how this guy will be found guilty BigD_95 Mar 2013 #48

Read GZ's statement to police and then review the physical evidence Tempest Mar 2013 #54

I agree that Zimmerman's suggestions are bullshit. But are they enough to create reasonable doubt. stevenleser Mar 2013 #156

I would also like to know this... Tempest Mar 2013 #55

If he provoked the physical altercation, then self-defense should not apply. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #56

In light of the circumstances, self-defense won't work Tempest Mar 2013 #59

That Is Zimmerman's Story DallasNE Mar 2013 #80

It was determined to be "immediate range" Tempest Mar 2013 #84

That Is News To Me DallasNE Mar 2013 #95

Document dump Tempest Mar 2013 #98

Go review the whole case and get back to us Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #81

He chased an unarmed child. Nevernose Mar 2013 #139

I think there is a chance that gun enthusiasts might be willing to throw Zim under the bus. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #65

His support base is rapidly shrinking Tempest Mar 2013 #73

Most "gun enthusiasts" here knew this wasn't a SYG case, and said so. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #79

Rewrite what? I believe they might be willing to throw him under the bus. That's all. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #82

He got little to no support in most places in the first place, so what's your point? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #90

He's collected over $400,000 from small donations Tempest Mar 2013 #92

He said nothing about gun enthusiasts here Tempest Mar 2013 #89

You may very well be correct, as I try to avoid RW sites for the most part. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #93

I'm talking about non-right wing sites Tempest Mar 2013 #106

I Don't Think Zimmerman Could Have Stood A Loss In This Hearing DallasNE Mar 2013 #70

A loss would have been devastating to his defense Tempest Mar 2013 #75

I don't get why anyone is "stunned" by this Travelman Mar 2013 #137

An unarmed teenager was killed for no reason Brigid Mar 2013 #140

Agreed IrishAyes Mar 2013 #152

Casey Anthony walked..... davidn3600 Mar 2013 #160

HA. Rex Mar 2013 #161