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136. not a problem. I can understand the frustration of dealing with ignorance, living as I do in

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Zimmerman Stuns Court, Waives Right to 'Stand Your Ground' Hearing in Trayvon Martin Case [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 OP

once again, yahoo, he was NOT a "neighborhood watch captain"--he was nothing more than a niyad Mar 2013 #1

Wasn't he retroactively self promoted to neighborhood watch captain? nt Progressive dog Mar 2013 #4

pretty much niyad Mar 2013 #7

it would be fewer words to say "neighborhood vigilante" too yurbud Mar 2013 #18

But 1 extra syllable! AAO Mar 2013 #31

and some TV reporters might think it's a new kind of SUV yurbud Mar 2013 #144

yurbud - I may be culturally behind, I was born in '54 after all... AAO Mar 2013 #149

I meant the TV reporters wouldn't know what a vigilante is yurbud Mar 2013 #153

Yeah, even enough Grey Goose will give you a splitting headache. AAO Mar 2013 #154

You could probably come up with a whole line of cars like that to appeal to right wingers: yurbud Mar 2013 #157

And don't forget the famous "Bentley My Ass!". AAO Mar 2013 #158

Yep. That's exactly what he was. tblue Mar 2013 #57

Yeah, he's out on bail - with an ankle bracelet csziggy Mar 2013 #120

Bail was required by state law Tempest Mar 2013 #122

Yes, but it went from $150,000 to a million csziggy Mar 2013 #131

Not true Tempest Mar 2013 #51

please show links to this because I seem to recall that neighborhood watch said he was not one niyad Mar 2013 #126

I posted links to the document dumps earlier. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #127

well, could you at least post the link to that, since I did not see it? niyad Mar 2013 #128

You got to be $#%^&%$ kidding me! Tempest Mar 2013 #129

I do ask your forgiveness for not realizing that you had posted that document dump in this thread, niyad Mar 2013 #132

And I apologize for jumping all over you Tempest Mar 2013 #133

not a problem. I can understand the frustration of dealing with ignorance, living as I do in niyad Mar 2013 #136

Wow. Rude. That really surprised me. ...nt TeeYiYi Mar 2013 #147

It doesn't matter Travelman Mar 2013 #138

I don't have the facts to back this up.... ReRe Mar 2013 #141

This is precisely WHY it doesn't matter Travelman Mar 2013 #142

Of course it wouldn't matter... ReRe Mar 2013 #143

No. Travelman Mar 2013 #145

So, you've read all the "police reports"? ReRe Mar 2013 #146

Yes, I've read them Travelman Mar 2013 #148

What about the Lion's Club? Credit Union? (bwahahahhaha) n/t AAO Mar 2013 #151

Iv'e never done this before. +100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ! AAO Mar 2013 #150

going all in.. frylock Mar 2013 #2

I guess he figured he has little chance of winning the hearing. aaaaaa5a Mar 2013 #3

yup. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #23

And to lose the hearing would have given negitive momentum. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #46

Yup. Tempest Mar 2013 #52

Thanks for the information Gothmog Mar 2013 #58

"It is clear to me that SYG should not apply when you pursue the victim" Tempest Mar 2013 #61

If this case isnt about SYG, Zim will lose a lot of common citizen support. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #66

He already has Tempest Mar 2013 #67

Everything comes out in discovery BlueStreak Mar 2013 #113

IMO, this is the attorneys decision to maximize their own exposure and legal fees. denverbill Mar 2013 #5

Alternative view - defense doesn't want to show it's cards until there is a jury. 24601 Mar 2013 #125

Yea where are his defenders now hum. Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #6

Well, a lot of long time gungeoners were banned after Sandy Hook. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2013 #28

wow I did not know this Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #32

If you want to see that, go to Huffington Post and search on any GZ story. Tempest Mar 2013 #49

I've given up on Huff Post. Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #76

That's a shame Tempest Mar 2013 #78

Where are those that claimed he would get off thanks to SYG? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #63

In hiding until this dies down. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #68

Undoubtedly hoping some mean person doesn't dig up all those inconvenient posts. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #74

If you want to really be amused... Tempest Mar 2013 #77

I can understand why GZ+family are doing it (*not* sympathize, mind you) friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #88

I personally believe there's something behind the "SYG law= license to kill" Tempest Mar 2013 #91

ISTR at least a couple of bullshit claims which failed. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #94

I'm not sure what you mean in your headline Tempest Mar 2013 #96

A certain number of the undoubtedly guilty will get away with crimes. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #100

Actually, gang bangers are fairly intelligent Tempest Mar 2013 #102

Majority white Florida jury = Not Guilty. onehandle Mar 2013 #8

Exactly. jsr Mar 2013 #11

Can you show me the proof of that, please? nt Dreamer Tatum Mar 2013 #14

He can't prove it. It's his opinion. You'll have to wait and see if he's right of wrong. AAO Mar 2013 #33

There'll be at least one bigot and/or paranoid gun nut on the jury, probably more. Hoyt Mar 2013 #27

Not true Tempest Mar 2013 #53

My point -- mistrial. How many times do you think prosecutor will retry? Hoyt Mar 2013 #60

If you read anything about Corey Tempest Mar 2013 #62

Florida bigotry and gun nuttery are going to be hard to overcome. Hoyt Mar 2013 #69

The state had nothing to do with his initial release Tempest Mar 2013 #71

Well we can speculate all day. I didn't think he'd get bail, but he did. So right now, things are Hoyt Mar 2013 #97

Why would you think he wouldn't get bail? Tempest Mar 2013 #101

Even with a flight risk? I am not well versed in Florida law. Ash_F Mar 2013 #104

Yup. Messed up, isn't it? But that's Florida for you. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #108

Indeed. I bet there are cases where people more deserving don't get it though. /nt Ash_F Mar 2013 #109

Read the transcript of the bail hearing Tempest Mar 2013 #110

What percentage of Floridians are gun-nuts/bigots? Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #111

2.7 per square mile. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #112

i agree that he will walk blueknight Mar 2013 #114

Based on what? n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #115

Not in this case Tempest Mar 2013 #50

There is no incentive to sue Zimmerman - no money csziggy Mar 2013 #121

Garnishment of future wages. Tempest Mar 2013 #123

But Zimmerman has never made much money csziggy Mar 2013 #130

Wrongful death cases are rarely about the money Tempest Mar 2013 #134

Zimmerman probably hopes that the judge will exclude JDPriestly Mar 2013 #9

These court "observers" who are "stunned" don't know much about trials. former9thward Mar 2013 #10

That was my first thought too. If it was struck down in a hearing, he definitely loses the trial. stevenleser Mar 2013 #155

I'm hoping I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling he's going to beat this charge Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #12

Just going to use a self-defense strategy. He claims Trayvon attacked him first. sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #13

His story makes zero sense though. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #19

Neither does Jodi Arias' make any sense and she's claiming self-defense in her sinkingfeeling Mar 2013 #20

playing devils advocate: naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #24

Mistrial if O'Mara brings up drugs Tempest Mar 2013 #37

ok.. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #39

I hope they do attack him Tempest Mar 2013 #44

good point. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #45

Gangster + thug = zimmerman Boabab Mar 2013 #85

For every shovel of dirt O'Mara has, Corey has a dump truck's worth. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #86

It really comes down to the jury pool. Anyone know where they will pull from? /nt Ash_F Mar 2013 #99

Driver license rolls in Florida, I believe Tempest Mar 2013 #103

So, all across Florida? Ash_F Mar 2013 #105

State case, statewide. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #107

And it makes even less sense in light of the physical evidence Tempest Mar 2013 #36

It's on the prosecutor to disprove GZ's claim JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2013 #116

Yes and no. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #117

Yup. In self defense, the burden of proof is mainly on the defendent. Tempest Mar 2013 #118

I was on a jury, 2d degree murder, with self-defense as the Defense tactic JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2013 #119

What kind of physical evidence was available? Tempest Mar 2013 #124

If he gets anything more than probation a suspended sentance and time served, I'll be very surprised marble falls Mar 2013 #15

Doubtful... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #83

I've been noticing it's the low count posters making these claims Tempest Mar 2013 #87

Why would this 'stun the court'? His lawyer has been saying this for 6+ months. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #16

Actually, O'Mara has been going back and forth on it Tempest Mar 2013 #38

Jury Nullification Andy Stanton Mar 2013 #17

I don't think Simpson or Anthony constituted true jury nullification. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #21

I think that same analysis applies here though.. naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #25

They went with murder so manslaughter could be on the table Tempest Mar 2013 #40

ah ok. I stand corrected. nt naaman fletcher Mar 2013 #41

Different degrees of murder. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #64

And any conviction will help the Martin family's wrongful death lawsuit. n/t Tempest Mar 2013 #72

2nd degree murder in Florida cheyanne Mar 2013 #135

Yep. sofa king Mar 2013 #22

His father the "judge"? onenote Mar 2013 #29

Really kind of a minor point Tempest Mar 2013 #30

when the claim is that dad's expertise will help him put together a "near perfect defense" onenote Mar 2013 #34

You're making a claim which doesn't exist Tempest Mar 2013 #42

"He will have a near-perfect defense, thanks to his father the judge, and I expect them to onenote Mar 2013 #47

Sounds like the Standers don't want their law challenged and made it clear to the murderer. nt valerief Mar 2013 #26

This case is over after jury selection... Moostache Mar 2013 #35

I wouldn't count on it Tempest Mar 2013 #43

The jury has more in-depth access to evidence than we do Brayshawna Williams Mar 2013 #159

I do not see how this guy will be found guilty BigD_95 Mar 2013 #48

Read GZ's statement to police and then review the physical evidence Tempest Mar 2013 #54

I agree that Zimmerman's suggestions are bullshit. But are they enough to create reasonable doubt. stevenleser Mar 2013 #156

I would also like to know this... Tempest Mar 2013 #55

If he provoked the physical altercation, then self-defense should not apply. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #56

In light of the circumstances, self-defense won't work Tempest Mar 2013 #59

That Is Zimmerman's Story DallasNE Mar 2013 #80

It was determined to be "immediate range" Tempest Mar 2013 #84

That Is News To Me DallasNE Mar 2013 #95

Document dump Tempest Mar 2013 #98

Go review the whole case and get back to us Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #81

He chased an unarmed child. Nevernose Mar 2013 #139

I think there is a chance that gun enthusiasts might be willing to throw Zim under the bus. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #65

His support base is rapidly shrinking Tempest Mar 2013 #73

Most "gun enthusiasts" here knew this wasn't a SYG case, and said so. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #79

Rewrite what? I believe they might be willing to throw him under the bus. That's all. nm rhett o rick Mar 2013 #82

He got little to no support in most places in the first place, so what's your point? friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #90

He's collected over $400,000 from small donations Tempest Mar 2013 #92

He said nothing about gun enthusiasts here Tempest Mar 2013 #89

You may very well be correct, as I try to avoid RW sites for the most part. friendly_iconoclast Mar 2013 #93

I'm talking about non-right wing sites Tempest Mar 2013 #106

I Don't Think Zimmerman Could Have Stood A Loss In This Hearing DallasNE Mar 2013 #70

A loss would have been devastating to his defense Tempest Mar 2013 #75

I don't get why anyone is "stunned" by this Travelman Mar 2013 #137

An unarmed teenager was killed for no reason Brigid Mar 2013 #140

Agreed IrishAyes Mar 2013 #152

Casey Anthony walked..... davidn3600 Mar 2013 #160

HA. Rex Mar 2013 #161