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85. I think if she

Reply to Pancho Schneider (Original post)

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 11:47 AM

Mar 2013

did lie, then what would be her motive to lie? She is a material witness that is important to both the defense and prosecution. I would put her on the stand and inquire all the people she had contact with concerning this trial. Strange things can happen in Trials that get high publicity. The Defense apparently recieved this information from the prosecution. The prosecution states they have no medical records according to the Defense. That says to me, the prosecution found it neccessary to do the investigation on their own material witness. Who is the prosecution working for? That is strange to me. I understand the defendant has relationships in the Judicial system also. My final point is you need to know the credibility of your witness before you trot them out there. If this guy gets away with murder, it will be the prosecution's incompetence alone. Before you bring a case to Trial, you better know your case as a prosecutor.

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Teenage witness in Trayvon Martin case admits she 'misrepresented' herself, prosecution says [View all] Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 OP

So, one this one tiny, trivial point, you've decided Zimmerman was innocent. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #1

lol. ok I'm a racist Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #7

I edited that post. Still, this point about the girlfriend is too trivial to matter. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #13

Black people? eggplant Mar 2013 #22

Everyone else, to a larger degree. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #189

Trivial matter? Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #178

I feel Zimmerman deserves his day in court. ... spin Mar 2013 #200

And he'll get his day in court. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #212

The rule is not to mention his Peruvian half when making an accusation of racism Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #213

If his dad is a rich white judge, the "Peruvian half" of his heritage doesn't matter. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #215

You spoke of racism, not finances Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #216

You act like the fact that he was nominally Latino on one side mitigates his racism against Trayvon. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #217

You act like it's a fact that income trumps race in the mind of racist Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #220

The only reason to reference the Peruvian side of Zimmerman's heritage Ken Burch Mar 2013 #222

BOOM! Well said. Thank you. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #235

Bamm. Pararescue Mar 2013 #237

How exactly do "Hispanic roots would water down the accusation of racism"? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #230

"To mention his Hispanic roots would water down the accusation of racism." michigandem58 Mar 2013 #233

He won't be replying to anything anymore. Pararescue Mar 2013 #234

Race-based thinking sucks. Bucky Mar 2013 #226

the du court of popular opinion is quick to prejudge and once it's formed an opinion that's it leftyohiolib Mar 2013 #19

bush and cheney lied us into 2 wars SemperEadem Mar 2013 #57

And that has what to do with this case? Pararescue Mar 2013 #60

You don't understand? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #143

I understand very well what that was about. Pararescue Mar 2013 #146

More Comedy! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #147

If you have an issue with me, Pararescue Mar 2013 #149

You post on a message board I reply DIG? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #151

I happy that I could give you comedy for the day. Pararescue Mar 2013 #153

So you are leaving? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #156

I meant my job with you is done. Pararescue Mar 2013 #158

LOL HangOnKids Mar 2013 #159

Oh, you'll be leaving at some point. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #177

If you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to why I'm on your bad side? Pararescue Mar 2013 #188

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #202

"Pararescue" has been escorted off the premises: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #245

Ha ha UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #247

oh, how cute SemperEadem Mar 2013 #210

Good thing you signed up to DU just in time to educate us about this. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #179

normally Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #8

Your pointing out the lack of consistency is code for "I hate black people" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #10

Again, clever response. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #12

actually Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #17

Again you are completely wrong jberryhill Mar 2013 #30

You might want to tell the prosecutor that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #38

Making false statements under oath Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #43

What false statement did she make under oath? jberryhill Mar 2013 #44

Yes and Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #48

This article indicates she also lied about her age. crim son Mar 2013 #125

she said: she didn't go to Martin's funeral noiretextatique Mar 2013 #185

Your boy Zimmy left his vehicle with intent FarPoint Mar 2013 #49

"your boy Zimmy." Does "your boy" reference a racial category? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #112

Momma's favorite FarPoint Mar 2013 #128

In the South, it conveyed something else. Be careful with that expression. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #231

I'm a pure Yankee... FarPoint Mar 2013 #238

Just noting for your future reference. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #239

He is not my Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #194

What false statements did she make JDPriestly Mar 2013 #78

Here. Pararescue Mar 2013 #80

But what were the statements? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #94

She lied under oath about where she was on the day of Trayvon's funeral. Pararescue Mar 2013 #97

Right. You never know, and though from what I know JDPriestly Mar 2013 #174

"The "lies" could actually help the prosecution" jberryhill Mar 2013 #98

Yes. Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #173

Only if the testimony was material to the case. Grins Mar 2013 #103

zimmerman's attorneys are attempting to make a mountain out of this molehill noiretextatique Mar 2013 #182

There are phone logs of her call with Martin brush Mar 2013 #86

Sure there are, Pararescue Mar 2013 #89

If she is shown to lie about small things... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #104

Phone records document the call curlyred Mar 2013 #211

I don't think anyone is debating that the call happened... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #221

Playing victim underpants Mar 2013 #193

The rest of the evidence against Zimmerman is overwhelming. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #14

You speak like an inquisitor. Must be easy on the InnerTube. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #114

FWIW: I'll vouch the KB has earned the status you ascribe to him in more than just a few sorties. nt patrice Mar 2013 #166

"Inquisitor".... woow fascisthunter Mar 2013 #208

Funny that so many of our "pro gun progressives"* also happen to be in Zimmerman's corner, apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #246

ideological fanaticism? fascisthunter Mar 2013 #249

You are absolutely clueless on that point jberryhill Mar 2013 #29

No witness should be taken as a fountain of truth. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #124

Leave it... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #24

Didn't know that. Thanks. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #198

"..was innocent?" "Flacking for Zimmerman?" Channeling Salem? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #108

Zimmerman trial cheyanne Mar 2013 #109

He is innocent until found guilty in court. That's the standard for Zimmerman, and for you and 24601 Mar 2013 #191

With a post from Fox "News", no less Doctor_J Mar 2013 #228

Remember Zimmerman and his wife lied too. tblue Mar 2013 #252

Shouldn't you be, like, waiting until all the evidence has been presented? Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #2

According to the article, Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #3

That's not true leftynyc Mar 2013 #15

Of course it's true. Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #18

The link to the story in leftynyc Mar 2013 #50

To what did she testify under oath that is false? jberryhill Mar 2013 #31

I know how to read leftynyc Mar 2013 #52

A perjury charge will usually require the false statement be somehow material struggle4progress Mar 2013 #160

Best of luck to the defense leftynyc Mar 2013 #168

That's a different question than whether she committed perjury struggle4progress Mar 2013 #172

I don't want anything getting leftynyc Mar 2013 #223

There is nothing getting in the way of justice here jberryhill Mar 2013 #227

It's all about the gun rights hero. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #4

As I've said all along customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #5

Some attorneys take cases for the publicity, win or lose... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #23

Look at Joel Brodsky and Drew Peterson Drale Mar 2013 #129

Working for a bullet in the street free America, one day at a time graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

Oh wow, so this proves Trayvon is alive? Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #9

A Trayvon Truther! AngryAmish Mar 2013 #36

Read again for sarcastic intent Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #79

Neither did Angry Amish jberryhill Mar 2013 #83

How is this LBN, since a thread was started in GD Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #11

I thought if it involved guns it could go anywhere, anytime. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #116

Yep. And BTW I think this thread smells Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #117

So can RW trolls... UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #187

In an "unrepentant liberal" contest, I got you beat hands-down... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #229

Big fan of Ted Kennedy and the EPA? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #232

Pretty much, though I prefer Hubert Humphrey... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #240

That's a libertarian position and it won't happen. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #241

Ha! You jumped to the right ofq me immediately, ending a potentially Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #242

Can't you find a legitimate news source? leftynyc Mar 2013 #16

I think this is legitimate. Pararescue Mar 2013 #39

As long as it's not fox leftynyc Mar 2013 #42

I won't link to any right wing rag. Pararescue Mar 2013 #46

I appreciate the link leftynyc Mar 2013 #54

Part of the defense and prosecution's melm00se Mar 2013 #20

It's only a valid question if she testifies falsely jberryhill Mar 2013 #32

There is a link to an Orlando Sentinel leftynyc Mar 2013 #45

No, that is not perjury jberryhill Mar 2013 #53

Making an untrue statement about leftynyc Mar 2013 #55

And her whereabouts during the funeral is relevant to what element of the charge? jberryhill Mar 2013 #56

That's not relevant, Pararescue Mar 2013 #59

Note the prosecutor's answer jberryhill Mar 2013 #63

This isn't a federal case, Pararescue Mar 2013 #65

"in regard to any material matter" jberryhill Mar 2013 #73

I really don't think that we're that far apart on this case. Pararescue Mar 2013 #96

I believe he'll be acquitted jberryhill Mar 2013 #101

You really think he'll be acquitted? Pararescue Mar 2013 #102

That's how I'd bet, yes jberryhill Mar 2013 #107

Why do you have any "desired outcome" Leontius Mar 2013 #126

That's not what trials do jberryhill Mar 2013 #130

If it was as slam dunk as you think it was, the prosecutor would have said so ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #72

What did I say was slam dunk? jberryhill Mar 2013 #75

The Florida law on impeachment evidence: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #90

It'll come in jberryhill Mar 2013 #95

Or the prosecutor may choose not to put her on the stand Pararescue Mar 2013 #99

I agree. The prosecutor will bring it in on direct. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #175

You really think the defense leftynyc Mar 2013 #61

That distinction would not even be in issue jberryhill Mar 2013 #64

Can you give me a "for instance" here leftynyc Mar 2013 #123

But you'd get more than that jberryhill Mar 2013 #127

OK - I see what you're saying, but leftynyc Mar 2013 #137

No jberryhill Mar 2013 #141

Do you know whether she is a minor? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #81

No, why? jberryhill Mar 2013 #82

I am not in Florida and haven't followed this case JDPriestly Mar 2013 #176

She's 19 yo. Pararescue Mar 2013 #87

If Trayvon had a gun he'd be alive right now Snake Plissken Mar 2013 #21

I thought you were dead. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #100

Another one if those speaking zombies. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #118

No, I'm referring to the movie character. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #119

What exactly does this change given what we've heard with our own lying ears on tape? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #25

Does it matter? An innocent unarmed teen was shot & killed by a threatening stalker. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #26

With this minor script change I think I've figured out how the series ends........ wandy Mar 2013 #27

There's a good chance that this case will not involve "stand your ground" ... spin Mar 2013 #205

This is the sort of conclussion Fox makes. Trayvon was murdered. Impeaching this girl.... marble falls Mar 2013 #28

still bothers me the police didn't even bother to touch the cell phone when they closed the case. Sunlei Mar 2013 #33

Why are you excerpting from Fox News on a democratic website? Happyhippychick Mar 2013 #34

The witness could still provide valuable testimony regardless of the statements at issue. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #35

If it goes to credibility, its fair game for the defense ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #74

She'd be a witness for authentication of records only. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #110

^^^ Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #120

ummm, Fox news. mulsh Mar 2013 #37

This Just In: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #41

Honestly. Fox News? tblue Mar 2013 #251

Welcome to DU! Robb Mar 2013 #40

He does. He also posts about the administration using domestic drones and cutting social security. Ian David Mar 2013 #51

Dear Pancho Schneider, I hate to break this to you, but Fox lies. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #47

Fox does lie, but how about the Orlando Sentinel? Pararescue Mar 2013 #58

Oh look, another one! Robb Mar 2013 #66

What? Pararescue Mar 2013 #68

When the big headline reads the "State's main witness lied" mountain grammy Mar 2013 #67

Maybe so, Pararescue Mar 2013 #71

How many times have you linked to that article? Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #131

I was just giving a different link other than Fox. Pararescue Mar 2013 #132

Because I'm a member here and find your responses troubling Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #133

Why are my responses troubling? Pararescue Mar 2013 #135

Note that nobody has found anything wrong with this specific Fox article Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #134

Maybe, but linking to a Fox source Pararescue Mar 2013 #136

I'll give you this, at least you didn't reference Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #148

Note that Martin is still dead... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #209

So how much did you donate to Zimmie's defense fund? n/t bitchkitty Mar 2013 #62

True. The fact that her testimony has not been in the news JDPriestly Mar 2013 #69

+ 1,000 suffragette Mar 2013 #250

This Impacts The Credibility Of This Witness DallasNE Mar 2013 #70

"expert witnesses can help shore up the behavior under such duress" jberryhill Mar 2013 #76

So just because the prosecution says she lied, that makes it a fact? lunatica Mar 2013 #77

Don't crop my statement Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #219

You're implying that if she lied lunatica Mar 2013 #224

Message auto-removed Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #225

Doesn't help the Prosecution but... MaineLinePhilly Mar 2013 #84

I think if she John2 Mar 2013 #85

Zimmerman's still going down. Nice try, "Pancho". MjolnirTime Mar 2013 #88

I think you're right, Pararescue Mar 2013 #92

I disagree with you both Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #154

You could be right. Pararescue Mar 2013 #162

You clearly want Zimmerman acquitted-and there's no non-ugly reason to want that. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #190

It's my personal feeling that even without her testimony Pararescue Mar 2013 #192

Thank you. You support my point. This development with the girlfriend, Ken Burch Mar 2013 #196

"And we all know it" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #197

No, thank you. Pararescue Mar 2013 #199

I do not accept anything posted from Fox News Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #91

That is the best approach AngryAmish Mar 2013 #93

The only clear, John2 Mar 2013 #105

Has anyone read the Talk Left Zimmerman thread? cheyanne Mar 2013 #106

So her whole testimony is tossed because EC Mar 2013 #111

oh goody, looks like a whole new batch of zimmerman defenders are here to his rescue.. frylock Mar 2013 #113

Who's defending the Zman? Pararescue Mar 2013 #115

LOL!!!!! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #139

Why? Pararescue Mar 2013 #142

Comedy Gold!!!!! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #144

Translated, you can't prove it. Pararescue Mar 2013 #145

Prove what? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #150

What comedy routine? Pararescue Mar 2013 #152

Please I think you need to get into 2013 HangOnKids Mar 2013 #157

You have proved it for us. U4ikLefty Mar 2013 #161

Proved what? Pararescue Mar 2013 #163

Uh-huh. Enjoy your, *ahem*, stay at DU. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #203

Oh look, Pararescue Mar 2013 #204

"this is my last reply to you in this thread" - That just breaks my ever-lovin' heart. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #206

Ahh He Is Gone HangOnKids Mar 2013 #243

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #244

Maybe he'll create a new account and come back...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #248

Thank You HangOnKids Mar 2013 #164

I've noticed that. Gemini Cat Mar 2013 #165

they ae only concerned about him getting a fair trial noiretextatique Mar 2013 #183

To a jury it's why she lied, and if under oath. Festivito Mar 2013 #121

It was under oath, the prosecutor had to admit it. Pararescue Mar 2013 #122

Nice. You recced your own thread. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #138

That Just Kills Me HangOnKids Mar 2013 #140

Hell yes Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #155

Let me guess: you're a "pro gun progressive"... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #167

Good Lord! Isn't this a job for MIRT? A Dumbfoxistan news story supporting Zimmerman? On post 32? Squinch Mar 2013 #169

You said Dumbfoxistan. Pararescue Mar 2013 #171

ditto noiretextatique Mar 2013 #184

The only thing I carted about was the trial booley Mar 2013 #170

so, she didn't go to his funeral noiretextatique Mar 2013 #180

no kidding.. zimmerman Lied about how much money he didn't Cha Mar 2013 #218

What difference does it make if I reach a conclusion? Deep13 Mar 2013 #181

something must be brewing olddots Mar 2013 #186

CNN: "Chief witness in Trayvon Martin case lied under oath" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #195

Maybe you can find out for us what Tucker Carlson thinks of all this. Squinch Mar 2013 #201

Please tell me you don't think Tucker Carlson still works for CNN Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #214

those skittles were dangerous! fascisthunter Mar 2013 #207

Good bye, you weaselly fuckwad. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #236