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135. Why are my responses troubling?

Wed Mar 6, 2013, 03:51 PM

Mar 2013

I'm not defending Zman in any way at all.

If you read all my responses on this subject, you'll know that I think that he's guilty as hell and he will probably be convicted on the evidence available so far.

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Teenage witness in Trayvon Martin case admits she 'misrepresented' herself, prosecution says [View all] Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 OP

So, one this one tiny, trivial point, you've decided Zimmerman was innocent. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #1

lol. ok I'm a racist Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #7

I edited that post. Still, this point about the girlfriend is too trivial to matter. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #13

Black people? eggplant Mar 2013 #22

Everyone else, to a larger degree. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #189

Trivial matter? Life Long Dem Mar 2013 #178

I feel Zimmerman deserves his day in court. ... spin Mar 2013 #200

And he'll get his day in court. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #212

The rule is not to mention his Peruvian half when making an accusation of racism Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #213

If his dad is a rich white judge, the "Peruvian half" of his heritage doesn't matter. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #215

You spoke of racism, not finances Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #216

You act like the fact that he was nominally Latino on one side mitigates his racism against Trayvon. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #217

You act like it's a fact that income trumps race in the mind of racist Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #220

The only reason to reference the Peruvian side of Zimmerman's heritage Ken Burch Mar 2013 #222

BOOM! Well said. Thank you. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #235

Bamm. Pararescue Mar 2013 #237

How exactly do "Hispanic roots would water down the accusation of racism"? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #230

"To mention his Hispanic roots would water down the accusation of racism." michigandem58 Mar 2013 #233

He won't be replying to anything anymore. Pararescue Mar 2013 #234

Race-based thinking sucks. Bucky Mar 2013 #226

the du court of popular opinion is quick to prejudge and once it's formed an opinion that's it leftyohiolib Mar 2013 #19

bush and cheney lied us into 2 wars SemperEadem Mar 2013 #57

And that has what to do with this case? Pararescue Mar 2013 #60

You don't understand? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #143

I understand very well what that was about. Pararescue Mar 2013 #146

More Comedy! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #147

If you have an issue with me, Pararescue Mar 2013 #149

You post on a message board I reply DIG? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #151

I happy that I could give you comedy for the day. Pararescue Mar 2013 #153

So you are leaving? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #156

I meant my job with you is done. Pararescue Mar 2013 #158

LOL HangOnKids Mar 2013 #159

Oh, you'll be leaving at some point. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #177

If you would be so kind as to enlighten me as to why I'm on your bad side? Pararescue Mar 2013 #188

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #202

"Pararescue" has been escorted off the premises: apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #245

Ha ha UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #247

oh, how cute SemperEadem Mar 2013 #210

Good thing you signed up to DU just in time to educate us about this. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #179

normally Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #8

Your pointing out the lack of consistency is code for "I hate black people" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #10

Again, clever response. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #12

actually Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #17

Again you are completely wrong jberryhill Mar 2013 #30

You might want to tell the prosecutor that. Pararescue Mar 2013 #38

Making false statements under oath Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #43

What false statement did she make under oath? jberryhill Mar 2013 #44

Yes and Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #48

This article indicates she also lied about her age. crim son Mar 2013 #125

she said: she didn't go to Martin's funeral noiretextatique Mar 2013 #185

Your boy Zimmy left his vehicle with intent FarPoint Mar 2013 #49

"your boy Zimmy." Does "your boy" reference a racial category? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #112

Momma's favorite FarPoint Mar 2013 #128

In the South, it conveyed something else. Be careful with that expression. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #231

I'm a pure Yankee... FarPoint Mar 2013 #238

Just noting for your future reference. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #239

He is not my Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #194

What false statements did she make JDPriestly Mar 2013 #78

Here. Pararescue Mar 2013 #80

But what were the statements? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #94

She lied under oath about where she was on the day of Trayvon's funeral. Pararescue Mar 2013 #97

Right. You never know, and though from what I know JDPriestly Mar 2013 #174

"The "lies" could actually help the prosecution" jberryhill Mar 2013 #98

Yes. Thanks. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #173

Only if the testimony was material to the case. Grins Mar 2013 #103

zimmerman's attorneys are attempting to make a mountain out of this molehill noiretextatique Mar 2013 #182

There are phone logs of her call with Martin brush Mar 2013 #86

Sure there are, Pararescue Mar 2013 #89

If she is shown to lie about small things... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #104

Phone records document the call curlyred Mar 2013 #211

I don't think anyone is debating that the call happened... Melon_Lord Mar 2013 #221

Playing victim underpants Mar 2013 #193

The rest of the evidence against Zimmerman is overwhelming. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #14

You speak like an inquisitor. Must be easy on the InnerTube. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #114

FWIW: I'll vouch the KB has earned the status you ascribe to him in more than just a few sorties. nt patrice Mar 2013 #166

"Inquisitor".... woow fascisthunter Mar 2013 #208

Funny that so many of our "pro gun progressives"* also happen to be in Zimmerman's corner, apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #246

ideological fanaticism? fascisthunter Mar 2013 #249

You are absolutely clueless on that point jberryhill Mar 2013 #29

No witness should be taken as a fountain of truth. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #124

Leave it... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #24

Didn't know that. Thanks. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #198

"..was innocent?" "Flacking for Zimmerman?" Channeling Salem? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #108

Zimmerman trial cheyanne Mar 2013 #109

He is innocent until found guilty in court. That's the standard for Zimmerman, and for you and 24601 Mar 2013 #191

With a post from Fox "News", no less Doctor_J Mar 2013 #228

Remember Zimmerman and his wife lied too. tblue Mar 2013 #252

Shouldn't you be, like, waiting until all the evidence has been presented? Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #2

According to the article, Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #3

That's not true leftynyc Mar 2013 #15

Of course it's true. Democracyinkind Mar 2013 #18

The link to the story in leftynyc Mar 2013 #50

To what did she testify under oath that is false? jberryhill Mar 2013 #31

I know how to read leftynyc Mar 2013 #52

A perjury charge will usually require the false statement be somehow material struggle4progress Mar 2013 #160

Best of luck to the defense leftynyc Mar 2013 #168

That's a different question than whether she committed perjury struggle4progress Mar 2013 #172

I don't want anything getting leftynyc Mar 2013 #223

There is nothing getting in the way of justice here jberryhill Mar 2013 #227

It's all about the gun rights hero. nt onehandle Mar 2013 #4

As I've said all along customerserviceguy Mar 2013 #5

Some attorneys take cases for the publicity, win or lose... Blue_Tires Mar 2013 #23

Look at Joel Brodsky and Drew Peterson Drale Mar 2013 #129

Working for a bullet in the street free America, one day at a time graham4anything Mar 2013 #6

Oh wow, so this proves Trayvon is alive? Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #9

A Trayvon Truther! AngryAmish Mar 2013 #36

Read again for sarcastic intent Starry Messenger Mar 2013 #79

Neither did Angry Amish jberryhill Mar 2013 #83

How is this LBN, since a thread was started in GD Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #11

I thought if it involved guns it could go anywhere, anytime. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #116

Yep. And BTW I think this thread smells Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #117

So can RW trolls... UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #187

In an "unrepentant liberal" contest, I got you beat hands-down... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #229

Big fan of Ted Kennedy and the EPA? UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #232

Pretty much, though I prefer Hubert Humphrey... Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #240

That's a libertarian position and it won't happen. UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #241

Ha! You jumped to the right ofq me immediately, ending a potentially Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #242

Can't you find a legitimate news source? leftynyc Mar 2013 #16

I think this is legitimate. Pararescue Mar 2013 #39

As long as it's not fox leftynyc Mar 2013 #42

I won't link to any right wing rag. Pararescue Mar 2013 #46

I appreciate the link leftynyc Mar 2013 #54

Part of the defense and prosecution's melm00se Mar 2013 #20

It's only a valid question if she testifies falsely jberryhill Mar 2013 #32

There is a link to an Orlando Sentinel leftynyc Mar 2013 #45

No, that is not perjury jberryhill Mar 2013 #53

Making an untrue statement about leftynyc Mar 2013 #55

And her whereabouts during the funeral is relevant to what element of the charge? jberryhill Mar 2013 #56

That's not relevant, Pararescue Mar 2013 #59

Note the prosecutor's answer jberryhill Mar 2013 #63

This isn't a federal case, Pararescue Mar 2013 #65

"in regard to any material matter" jberryhill Mar 2013 #73

I really don't think that we're that far apart on this case. Pararescue Mar 2013 #96

I believe he'll be acquitted jberryhill Mar 2013 #101

You really think he'll be acquitted? Pararescue Mar 2013 #102

That's how I'd bet, yes jberryhill Mar 2013 #107

Why do you have any "desired outcome" Leontius Mar 2013 #126

That's not what trials do jberryhill Mar 2013 #130

If it was as slam dunk as you think it was, the prosecutor would have said so ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #72

What did I say was slam dunk? jberryhill Mar 2013 #75

The Florida law on impeachment evidence: JDPriestly Mar 2013 #90

It'll come in jberryhill Mar 2013 #95

Or the prosecutor may choose not to put her on the stand Pararescue Mar 2013 #99

I agree. The prosecutor will bring it in on direct. JDPriestly Mar 2013 #175

You really think the defense leftynyc Mar 2013 #61

That distinction would not even be in issue jberryhill Mar 2013 #64

Can you give me a "for instance" here leftynyc Mar 2013 #123

But you'd get more than that jberryhill Mar 2013 #127

OK - I see what you're saying, but leftynyc Mar 2013 #137

No jberryhill Mar 2013 #141

Do you know whether she is a minor? JDPriestly Mar 2013 #81

No, why? jberryhill Mar 2013 #82

I am not in Florida and haven't followed this case JDPriestly Mar 2013 #176

She's 19 yo. Pararescue Mar 2013 #87

If Trayvon had a gun he'd be alive right now Snake Plissken Mar 2013 #21

I thought you were dead. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #100

Another one if those speaking zombies. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #118

No, I'm referring to the movie character. Common Sense Party Mar 2013 #119

What exactly does this change given what we've heard with our own lying ears on tape? nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #25

Does it matter? An innocent unarmed teen was shot & killed by a threatening stalker. JaneyVee Mar 2013 #26

With this minor script change I think I've figured out how the series ends........ wandy Mar 2013 #27

There's a good chance that this case will not involve "stand your ground" ... spin Mar 2013 #205

This is the sort of conclussion Fox makes. Trayvon was murdered. Impeaching this girl.... marble falls Mar 2013 #28

still bothers me the police didn't even bother to touch the cell phone when they closed the case. Sunlei Mar 2013 #33

Why are you excerpting from Fox News on a democratic website? Happyhippychick Mar 2013 #34

The witness could still provide valuable testimony regardless of the statements at issue. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #35

If it goes to credibility, its fair game for the defense ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2013 #74

She'd be a witness for authentication of records only. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #110

^^^ Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #120

ummm, Fox news. mulsh Mar 2013 #37

This Just In: Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2013 #41

Honestly. Fox News? tblue Mar 2013 #251

Welcome to DU! Robb Mar 2013 #40

He does. He also posts about the administration using domestic drones and cutting social security. Ian David Mar 2013 #51

Dear Pancho Schneider, I hate to break this to you, but Fox lies. mountain grammy Mar 2013 #47

Fox does lie, but how about the Orlando Sentinel? Pararescue Mar 2013 #58

Oh look, another one! Robb Mar 2013 #66

What? Pararescue Mar 2013 #68

When the big headline reads the "State's main witness lied" mountain grammy Mar 2013 #67

Maybe so, Pararescue Mar 2013 #71

How many times have you linked to that article? Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #131

I was just giving a different link other than Fox. Pararescue Mar 2013 #132

Because I'm a member here and find your responses troubling Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #133

Why are my responses troubling? Pararescue Mar 2013 #135

Note that nobody has found anything wrong with this specific Fox article Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #134

Maybe, but linking to a Fox source Pararescue Mar 2013 #136

I'll give you this, at least you didn't reference Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #148

Note that Martin is still dead... LanternWaste Mar 2013 #209

So how much did you donate to Zimmie's defense fund? n/t bitchkitty Mar 2013 #62

True. The fact that her testimony has not been in the news JDPriestly Mar 2013 #69

+ 1,000 suffragette Mar 2013 #250

This Impacts The Credibility Of This Witness DallasNE Mar 2013 #70

"expert witnesses can help shore up the behavior under such duress" jberryhill Mar 2013 #76

So just because the prosecution says she lied, that makes it a fact? lunatica Mar 2013 #77

Don't crop my statement Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #219

You're implying that if she lied lunatica Mar 2013 #224

Message auto-removed Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #225

Doesn't help the Prosecution but... MaineLinePhilly Mar 2013 #84

I think if she John2 Mar 2013 #85

Zimmerman's still going down. Nice try, "Pancho". MjolnirTime Mar 2013 #88

I think you're right, Pararescue Mar 2013 #92

I disagree with you both Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #154

You could be right. Pararescue Mar 2013 #162

You clearly want Zimmerman acquitted-and there's no non-ugly reason to want that. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #190

It's my personal feeling that even without her testimony Pararescue Mar 2013 #192

Thank you. You support my point. This development with the girlfriend, Ken Burch Mar 2013 #196

"And we all know it" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #197

No, thank you. Pararescue Mar 2013 #199

I do not accept anything posted from Fox News Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #91

That is the best approach AngryAmish Mar 2013 #93

The only clear, John2 Mar 2013 #105

Has anyone read the Talk Left Zimmerman thread? cheyanne Mar 2013 #106

So her whole testimony is tossed because EC Mar 2013 #111

oh goody, looks like a whole new batch of zimmerman defenders are here to his rescue.. frylock Mar 2013 #113

Who's defending the Zman? Pararescue Mar 2013 #115

LOL!!!!! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #139

Why? Pararescue Mar 2013 #142

Comedy Gold!!!!! HangOnKids Mar 2013 #144

Translated, you can't prove it. Pararescue Mar 2013 #145

Prove what? HangOnKids Mar 2013 #150

What comedy routine? Pararescue Mar 2013 #152

Please I think you need to get into 2013 HangOnKids Mar 2013 #157

You have proved it for us. U4ikLefty Mar 2013 #161

Proved what? Pararescue Mar 2013 #163

Uh-huh. Enjoy your, *ahem*, stay at DU. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #203

Oh look, Pararescue Mar 2013 #204

"this is my last reply to you in this thread" - That just breaks my ever-lovin' heart. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #206

Ahh He Is Gone HangOnKids Mar 2013 #243

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #244

Maybe he'll create a new account and come back...nt SidDithers Mar 2013 #248

Thank You HangOnKids Mar 2013 #164

I've noticed that. Gemini Cat Mar 2013 #165

they ae only concerned about him getting a fair trial noiretextatique Mar 2013 #183

To a jury it's why she lied, and if under oath. Festivito Mar 2013 #121

It was under oath, the prosecutor had to admit it. Pararescue Mar 2013 #122

Nice. You recced your own thread. Kingofalldems Mar 2013 #138

That Just Kills Me HangOnKids Mar 2013 #140

Hell yes Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #155

Let me guess: you're a "pro gun progressive"... apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #167

Good Lord! Isn't this a job for MIRT? A Dumbfoxistan news story supporting Zimmerman? On post 32? Squinch Mar 2013 #169

You said Dumbfoxistan. Pararescue Mar 2013 #171

ditto noiretextatique Mar 2013 #184

The only thing I carted about was the trial booley Mar 2013 #170

so, she didn't go to his funeral noiretextatique Mar 2013 #180

no kidding.. zimmerman Lied about how much money he didn't Cha Mar 2013 #218

What difference does it make if I reach a conclusion? Deep13 Mar 2013 #181

something must be brewing olddots Mar 2013 #186

CNN: "Chief witness in Trayvon Martin case lied under oath" Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #195

Maybe you can find out for us what Tucker Carlson thinks of all this. Squinch Mar 2013 #201

Please tell me you don't think Tucker Carlson still works for CNN Pancho Schneider Mar 2013 #214

those skittles were dangerous! fascisthunter Mar 2013 #207

Good bye, you weaselly fuckwad. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Mar 2013 #236