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Hekate

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33. You mean like avoiding racist tags like Yellow Peril? Here's my method:
Fri Mar 8, 2013, 05:39 PM
Mar 2013

What you want to do is criticize -- even excoriate and abominate -- behavior and the results of that behavior. That is what I focus on. That it originates in the context and confluence of both American culture and Chinese culture is important, and it means that there is plenty of blame to go around, but in order for criticism to lead to change it has to be talked about in a useful and meaningful way.

American culture is divided into different parts by class, though we don't like to think of it that way. We were at one time accustomed to consumer protection laws that actually meant something, i.e., safe food, non-flammable pajamas, and the like. That is past, but most people have not yet absorbed that. But that expectation remains and that ignorance spreads out globally, causing people to imagine that all countries that we do business with surely must have, for instance, food safety laws that are actually enforced. (Imagine our surprise when our pets started dropping dead because of poisoned pet food ingredients from China.)

The consumer class wants a good bargain, and the lower down the scale they are, the more they need it. Consumers, by and large, no matter their income, just imagine all is well until it manifestly is not. And they get distracted by the next shiny thing on tv.

We also imagine that US companies that do business abroad are careful. Imagine our surprise when that turns out not to be the case.

Which brings me to the corporate class in the US. Their rapacity and greed know no bounds. The only boundaries they accept are strictly enforced legal ones, and since Reagan came to office those have become fewer and fewer. We have significant problems with that here at home, as any DUer knows.

Now China. People in the US (in their blissful ignorance) are accustomed to thinking of China as a Communist country with a collective mentality. Americans don't know exactly what that means but no matter. What people fail to grasp is that people in different cultures think differently. China is very, very old, and they rightfully look on us as upstart pups, if I may be so colloquial. They don't crave to be like us in any significant degree. In all their long history there have been only a few really great changes in the way they do things, and the Revolution was one of them.

But it's interesting about that -- the Revolutionaries tried, in their idealism, to make the basic unit of society the State. But the basic unit of Chinese society has always been, and remains, the family, the people you are directly related to. Westerners make much of the individual, but not so the Chinese. Americans make much of loyalty to Country, and in theory so do Chinese, but the real loyalty, as far as I can tell, remains family. The Communist Party replaced the Emperor and wields great power; they still have a civil service system just as for centuries before; there are still plenty of peasants and others of low degree; and there is still the merchant class, suppressed by the Communists, but never ever eradicated.

And I think their merchant class has a lot in common with ours, except that so much of it takes place at much lower levels, where every penny saved is a multiplier benefitting someone's family. Damn -- that was the thing about the poisoned pet food (and inside China, poisoned baby formula). All along the way someone was squeezing pennies out of the cost of manufacturing.

I hope you can see where I am coming from. The situation outrages me, too. But because I am not a racist and do not want to become one, I really do try to parse out how this came to be and go from there in looking for ways to fix it. From my point of view, the place we have to start is HERE. Oh, we can get our diplomats to lean on their diplomats, and our president can toast theirs with Maotai at tough trade negotiations. But the real problem, as I see it, is our very own rapacious and unregulated "merchant class" and our very own blindingly ignorant American people.

Thanks for asking.

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Sounds like JC Penney's again. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2013 #1
"Cue someone to defend Chinese 'culture' for its 'different values.'" ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #2
It's simple capitalistic greed booley Mar 2013 #6
I'm not anti-Chinese. I'm against skinning animals alive. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #9
as am I booley Mar 2013 #18
I was just making a joke from the OP. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #21
Then you never had a dinner of live monkey brains. aquart Mar 2013 #45
I bet the same shit happens worldwide. alp227 Mar 2013 #46
most Chinese suppliers will slap any label on anything if they think they can get away with it bettyellen Mar 2013 #13
IMO, very few American companies EVER stayed on top of their Chinese suppliers Hekate Mar 2013 #26
before China was involved, clothing and home goods companies had serious QA and testing in place bettyellen Mar 2013 #27
booley, have you spent time in China? Duppers Mar 2013 #44
Well it's a waste to throw away the fur ...after they eat a dog or cat. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #3
... (caution) panzerfaust Mar 2013 #49
Marc Jacobs is a Chinese name? Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #4
No Funny Ever demwing Mar 2013 #5
Hey PETA! SCVDem Mar 2013 #7
Message auto-removed adammoda Mar 2013 #8
soul terror? that kid is a deluded stalker for fucks sake. bettyellen Mar 2013 #10
someone gave me a marc jacobs jacket noiretextatique Mar 2013 #11
Yikes. But how do they know the dog is "skinned alive"? Blandocyte Mar 2013 #12
I saw a video of that RILib Mar 2013 #16
I too, accidentally, watched the skinning alive video.... TinkerTot55 Mar 2013 #36
Gonna stay away from that video. n/t Agschmid Mar 2013 #42
I saw a video of it, too. Quantess Mar 2013 #48
How do you skin an animal alive? AlbertCat Mar 2013 #14
I've seen a video of animals being skinned alive AndyA Mar 2013 #17
It was very disturbing, AlbertCat Mar 2013 #22
Some people think animals are shaved. No, they need the skin to hold the fur. onehandle Mar 2013 #20
No, they need the skin to hold the fur. AlbertCat Mar 2013 #24
Yeah, and the fake fur that's attached to the knitted base has the luxury of artificial length. onehandle Mar 2013 #25
Fucking monsters -- all concerned. whathehell Mar 2013 #15
Message auto-removed adammoda Mar 2013 #19
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmvGdr7RWKw ilvxnk Mar 2013 #23
welcome to DU azurnoir Mar 2013 #29
Welcome to DU! That is a truly horrifying (and gruesome video) - maybe add a little text petronius Mar 2013 #35
GRAPHIC video. Would you please add that to your post? Thanks. uppityperson Mar 2013 #43
The 'trim' like the stuff around a hood/cuffs is not covered by any 'truth in the tag' regulations Sunlei Mar 2013 #28
china dog fur all rage Evasporque Mar 2013 #30
Please tell us how to publicly hate them. tblue Mar 2013 #31
You mean like avoiding racist tags like Yellow Peril? Here's my method: Hekate Mar 2013 #33
American demand is the problem Politicub Mar 2013 #40
Why would this be less expensive? surrealAmerican Mar 2013 #32
faux takes a factory to produce, the other you pay a peon a dime for enough to trim 5 coats. Sunlei Mar 2013 #34
Many people like to jump on America Trascoli Mar 2013 #37
So it's cheaper to skin dogs alive than make plastic faux fur Politicub Mar 2013 #38
Well yeah. Plastic is a non-renewable resource, and dogs... Hekate Mar 2013 #39
How does "Cruella De Ville" translate into Mandarin? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #41
Message auto-removed amyke70 Mar 2013 #47
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