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80. If the goose is cooked, I'm leaving the table

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:50 PM

Mar 2013

I said before the last election that if Obama allows the GOP to have its way with Social Security, I would be through with him. Social Security is hanging tough and could easily be made much stronger if the President only has the will to do it. If he doesn't, and the rest of the Demos cave as well, I'm out. It's the one thing I can't abide by. It's Solomon agreeing to split the baby, for heaven's sake.

Is it possible that Obama doesn't see this? Or is it that he just doesn't care?

And, yes, I'm well into Social Security age. But, no, I'm not pissed about my benefits. I'm a Federal retiree with only a tad of Social Security benefits. Losing what Social Security pays me would not hurt me. But losing Social Security would hurt millions of hard working people, Americans all. And please don't believe the crap about how the cuts would only be marginal. Once the door were opened, the cuts wouldn't stop. They'd change the COLA, they'd change the age for benefits, they'd change the formula for computing it. So if Social Security gets gutted -- or even trimmed, dammit -- as part of a grand bargain, the hell with them all. They -- President and Congress -- will have abandoned us in favor of a grand bargain to ensure the continued prosperity of the very people we all voted to rein in in the last election.

Sorry for the rant. I have defended Obama up until now. I have thought of him as a very cagey politician, working against a GOP that has said publicly it wanted to destroy his presidency. But if Social Security is offered up in sacrifice, the President loses my support and respect, period.

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Obama Tells Democrats They Must Be Open to Entitlement Changes [View all] NeoConsSuck Mar 2013 OP

No shit? nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #1

Negotiating with the wrong people Roy Rolling Mar 2013 #112

This is more of BHO's patented 11 Dimensional Bullsh!t: blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #122

No way in hell will this Democrat be open to that. Autumn Mar 2013 #2

I agree! Owl Mar 2013 #81

I also agree. I also don't like tis "softened tone" that I am hearing glinda Mar 2013 #123

Send me a euthanasia pill, I don't like cat food. Downwinder Mar 2013 #3

No. We just had an election all about this. No. No. No. That is all. nt silvershadow Mar 2013 #4

Unfortunately, neither candidate was on the side of the American people. FiveGoodMen Mar 2013 #227

More of the same Yo_Mama Mar 2013 #5

Screw that, it's time to reform campaign finance and top this idiotic, legalized bribery of our Pols Dustlawyer Mar 2013 #209

You're right. And this should also be done on the local level. Contact each Democratic mayor, etc. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #223

I hadn't thought of that Yo_Mama Mar 2013 #234

Senator Warren rickyhall Mar 2013 #6

I Think Bernie Sanders Is Really ChiciB1 Mar 2013 #15

I just emailed whitehouse.gov with my dismay. xtraxritical Mar 2013 #108

Sorry Obama, you tell the GOP adieu Mar 2013 #7

But he would NEVER do that... Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #8

Yes, though I guess Obamacare should have told us that :( n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #38

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #252

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #52

No, the best way to keep Social Security viable for the foreseeable future is to get our Living Wage RC Mar 2013 #74

x2. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #224

If it walks like a Republican and talks like a Republican, blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #120

Eh, what we've got here is another Reformer with Results. jsr Mar 2013 #137

a poster or two? There is an official DU GROUP dedicated to them Skittles Mar 2013 #128

Yep. Their MO is deny, deny, deny. Arctic Dave Mar 2013 #198

Alice Walker said it. 840high Mar 2013 #228

Very smart woman. ronnie624 Mar 2013 #250

That she is. Honest woman. 840high Mar 2013 #265

So uhm ...does anyone smell a rat yet? n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #9

read: OKNancy Mar 2013 #10

But that's not what he told them to be ready for. nt caseymoz Mar 2013 #44

+1. pacalo Mar 2013 #87

This message was self-deleted by its author demwing Mar 2013 #109

That's the part that's totally skipped over by those who Cha Mar 2013 #146

You bolded the wrong part of the quote ... Nihil Mar 2013 #211

Here is my grand bargain.....fuck with SS and I stay home for the 2014 elections. yourout Mar 2013 #11

Ditto MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #21

Ever think that is what they want... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #23

I think President Obama John2 Mar 2013 #27

well said. He is destroying what remains of the Dem party bbgrunt Mar 2013 #165

That's my inclination, too, EXCEPT that'd leave the field wide open for more damage Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #33

Me as well. I am done playing with them Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #41

And so will we: this is the GOP's only hope to hold the House in 2014 and maybe indepat Mar 2013 #43

History is written by the victors. zeemike Mar 2013 #96

Our grand children will be much more concerned about how to try surviving a Venus-lite climate Amonester Mar 2013 #173

Help Republicans hold the House, that will help protect entitlements michigandem58 Mar 2013 #60

If I have to choose between Dems slashing SS or Republicans slashing SS I would rather have the.... yourout Mar 2013 #73

It's astonishing that these "DUers" don't appear to understand that BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #138

Obama is the one waving the white flag, taking the Repug position Dragonfli Mar 2013 #148

Bullshit. The faster Leftists understand that the most powerful branch of our gov't is CONGRESS BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #153

Sell your snake oil third way Republican bulshit to someone that's buying. Dragonfli Mar 2013 #155

Get a fucking clue. President Obama can have a decree that he'd like pink unicorns for every BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #157

Stop lying, read again who was telling who to get ready to fuck with entitlements Dragonfli Mar 2013 #159

The Senate refused to change the filibuster rule, so everything this president does is BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #161

You still deny the reports? All of them? He really is the one making the offers you know Dragonfli Mar 2013 #163

Bravo, Dragonfli Carolina Mar 2013 #189

do you notice the deniers getting more and more hysterical? Skittles Mar 2013 #241

yes I have, I really think this one needs help, I don't say that sarcastically Dragonfli Mar 2013 #242

bs bbgrunt Mar 2013 #168

Bullshit, the left voted in 2010 Fumesucker Mar 2013 #185

That's not what I'm reading here, so bullshit back to you. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #210

DU just passed 200,000 registrations not all that long ago Fumesucker Mar 2013 #244

I wasn't limiting what Leftists post on DU alone, but you're right, BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #246

So what you're saying is, bitchkitty Mar 2013 #253

No. What I'm saying is, let's not jump to conclusions since BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author sammy27932003 Mar 2013 #274

Oh puhleeze Carolina Mar 2013 #186

Um . . . just to refresh your memory . . . Obama NEVER campaigned on single-payer. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #247

Ah, but he mentioned it Carolina Mar 2013 #266

Wrong, sweetie. Mentioning does not a campaign make. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #267

you are beyond the pale, a real Carolina Mar 2013 #294

If you do not want a grand bargain you better vote in 2014 and win the House back krawhitham Mar 2013 #68

He had the House for two years and pissed it away making nice with his Repub and WallSt overlords. Lionessa Mar 2013 #149

A fact conveniently ignored by devotees and propagandists jsr Mar 2013 #167

Touche, Lionessa Carolina Mar 2013 #187

Maybe it's the processed foods. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2013 #291

Amen! n/t markpkessinger Mar 2013 #275

You do know that this "crisis" and the desire for a "grand bargain" is not Autumn Mar 2013 #229

1.1 million more votes were cast for Democratic House candidates than for Republican candidates markpkessinger Mar 2013 #276

Same here. But I doubt Obama cares. Seems like he WANTS to destroy the Democratic Party. forestpath Mar 2013 #98

Never give up your vote. Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #180

This is all built on the assumption that Boehner is a competent Speaker. nyquil_man Mar 2013 #12

LOL... Is it in any way appropriate though, Volaris Mar 2013 #221

I'm open to changing the entitlements that the oil corporations are receiving. olddad56 Mar 2013 #13

And we can add entitlements to big banks, and big ag. Lionessa Mar 2013 #17

And how do you think that'll happen with a filibustering Senate BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #139

Let the caving to Republican principles begin again... UGH! F', Obama, you ran on the opposite! Lionessa Mar 2013 #14

Sorry, but I refuse to accept his part in dismantling the New Deal. Cleita Mar 2013 #16

He's been dead to me ever since he didn't put a moratorium on banks over robo-signing. Lionessa Mar 2013 #20

It's a good thing your opinion didn't have him lose re-election, BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #141

Most of us would rather deal with the devils we know Occulus Mar 2013 #271

Sure. If that's the excuse you want to propagate. But I'm not buying it. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #280

While the wealthy pay next to nothing in real dollars? Not hardly. MichiganVote Mar 2013 #18

This Democrat to President Obama: MotherPetrie Mar 2013 #19

Uh, yeah, ditto. TDale313 Mar 2013 #64

+100 Myrina Mar 2013 #215

^this Aquavit Mar 2013 #268

Turncoat... TheProgressive Mar 2013 #22

Fuck that! Pharaoh Mar 2013 #24

Calling ProSense shawn703 Mar 2013 #25

In fairness, I think ProSense has had it with offering MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #36

Or maybe ProSense has had it with so-called Liberals on DU BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #143

WTF? Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #182

+1 ...it's like they are saying "how dare you criticize my perfect idol" L0oniX Mar 2013 #214

^^ Thank you, Le Taz ^^ Myrina Mar 2013 #216

WTF? BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #248

There's so much wrong with this post Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #256

Why wrong? Because they're inconvenient truths to the fringe and their enablers? BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #258

That whooshing sound you heard Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #263

No fucking shit.... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #290

hyperbole noiretextatique Mar 2013 #235

They all use the same language... it's very Dittohead. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2013 #293

Hey Manny, ^why didn't you give Obama a congress he could work with,^ how long Dragonfli Mar 2013 #170

something tells me noiretextatique Mar 2013 #236

You need to research for yourself, think for yourself. madfloridian Mar 2013 #37

They are awaiting new talking points JoePhil and sid and the rest of the gang Dragonfli Mar 2013 #40

I'm waiting for ..."Obama figures that if he is for it then the repukes will fight against it. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #124

That's a popular one, variation 38 of the multi-dimensional chess apologetic, truly a classic Dragonfli Mar 2013 #152

They'll give you their opinion as soon as they receive it. /nt Marr Mar 2013 #92

NOT a good idea Skittles Mar 2013 #130

You look to ProSense for wisdom? Le Taz Hot Mar 2013 #183

And Dems should tell him that no changes without a huge raise in the cap. jwirr Mar 2013 #26

Exactly TexasBushwhacker Mar 2013 #273

I have been Coolest Ranger Mar 2013 #28

Could it be a bluff? rainy Mar 2013 #29

Bluffing who? Democrats? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #46

No, no, no and no. plain enough. WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2013 #30

For all the you've-got-to-be-more-patient types, how much longer? AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #31

looks that way nt Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #47

Now they'll just disappear, or tell you it's all YOUR fault because you didn't "push him". Marr Mar 2013 #94

I thought we had a "broad, bipartisan deficit-reduction deal" quakerboy Mar 2013 #32

No, No, No........ Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #34

one might ask, "why is a democratic president arguing for the republican position"? nt msongs Mar 2013 #35

Why did he fight for the GOP plan on healthcare reform? Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #49

One might also ask, "if a democratic president argues the GOP view, is he a Democrat" Dragonfli Mar 2013 #50

Perhaps it's because we have an effective Republican Congress? eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #144

Well that doesn't hold water since he pissed away his very own two years of effective Dem Congress. Lionessa Mar 2013 #169

Nothing we little folk do will have an effect on him anymore, just those up for election. madfloridian Mar 2013 #39

re: Obama Tells Democrats They Must Be Open to Entitlement Changes allan01 Mar 2013 #42

I totally agree with Pres Obama. We must change our social safety network. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #45

I'm with you, Rhett O Rick! Useless in FL Mar 2013 #48

The fact that you cant believe it reveals the huge problem we have in America. rhett o rick Mar 2013 #89

I second that, Rhett O Rick! midnight Mar 2013 #129

I third that. n/t RebelOne Mar 2013 #222

Endgame Teamster Jeff Mar 2013 #51

Wall Street and our corporate overlords have spoken, and the Word for the poor is Fire Walk With Me Mar 2013 #53

It all seems so calculated, doesn't it? blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #121

I think a lotta John2 Mar 2013 #54

you're assuming that voting rights are upheld by the SC bbgrunt Mar 2013 #171

I, for one, am pleased that we're making common-sense tough choices about MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #55

So you believe in the Soylent Green solution? Swede Atlanta Mar 2013 #58

A friend of mine did Peace Corps in Fiji MannyGoldstein Mar 2013 #62

His legacy Old Codger Mar 2013 #56

Here will be his legacy: AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #119

Fooled ya! blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #131

The worse thing is that he's still doing it AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #133

I see excellent dental care jsr Mar 2013 #166

Everyone who is retired, decayincl Mar 2013 #57

No. aquart Mar 2013 #59

+1 nt Xipe Totec Mar 2013 #67

What else was discussed at this meeting? NeoConsSuck Mar 2013 #61

This... exactly n/t Demo_Chris Mar 2013 #78

A slick talker can fool. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #125

I couldn't agree with you more Carolina Mar 2013 #190

What part of "You won the election" confuses him? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #63

The part that the House AND Senate is still solidly under Republican control. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #145

Everyone knows about the filibuster... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #172

Well, there's no nice guy Obama if we are to believe the words that have come straight from his BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #206

What he doesn't get is that he's dealing with punks. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #231

The Senate is still solidly under Republican control? NeoConsSuck Mar 2013 #174

One word, Einstein: FILIBUSTER. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #204

Don't forget to mention that kjackson227 Mar 2013 #232

It's obvious by now that he IS one, dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #237

Bullshit hyperbole. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #249

Saying he's a conservative dem is hyperbole? dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #257

Yes. It is. A Conservative Dem is a Dem like Manchin or Landrieu or Ben Nelson. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #259

Completely disagree dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #260

The public secret in our government is, Congress, not the White House, is the most powerful BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #262

LOL dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #264

No. It's based on his policies. YOURS, however, is opinion BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #282

I pay close attention to his policies dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #283

So do the GOP. But that doesn't mean they get it. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #284

Welcome to ignore dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #285

Back at ya! eom BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #286

No, that would be the judiciary. Again you are wrong. Occulus Mar 2013 #270

Bullshit. Congress, not the Judicial branch, is the most powerful branch of gov't, and the fact BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #281

100% true. And it couldn't have been clearer than when they voted *against* BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #251

Democrats control the Senate, which is why Reid is called 'Majority Leader'. Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #201

Bullshit. Republicans effectively control the Senate - through filibustering. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #203

Cave one bit and it will all be gone. liberal N proud Mar 2013 #65

CONFUSED SamKnause Mar 2013 #66

Changes ≠ Cuts krawhitham Mar 2013 #69

I would like to say i am sorry donnasgirl Mar 2013 #70

No. Just no. This is a country where the richest The Second Stone Mar 2013 #71

Write cate94 Mar 2013 #72

It is a real Grand Betrayal...... wasserman Mar 2013 #75

I doubt if it will happen, but....... socialist_n_TN Mar 2013 #76

um They_Live Mar 2013 #77

I'm not gonna read this thread because ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #79

In all honesty do you think that the pukes would ever accept Autumn Mar 2013 #90

Noe ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2013 #142

If the goose is cooked, I'm leaving the table RVN VET Mar 2013 #80

1 Party, 2 Faces. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #132

Not no way not no how... 2naSalit Mar 2013 #82

No. (nt) w4rma Mar 2013 #83

No thanks, I'm not open to that high density Mar 2013 #84

Go away President Obama....... Hotler Mar 2013 #85

No--if Obama doesn't give up this DLC shit, progressive Dems should triangulate him yurbud Mar 2013 #86

Surely this is just a BRILIIANT ROPE-A-DOPE! Marr Mar 2013 #88

Stop giving me a nervous breakdown over these threats to cut entitlements. Auntie Bush Mar 2013 #91

Namby Pamby JEB Mar 2013 #93

The "Democrats" got us to this bad place. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #134

Open? Our rights have been cut open so much our guts are falling out! Lint Head Mar 2013 #95

Uhmmm...... Phlem Mar 2013 #97

FUCK THAT SHIT. forestpath Mar 2013 #99

You better tell'em! HoosierRadical Mar 2013 #102

Once you let the stink into the room 4dsc Mar 2013 #100

Hell to the Muthaf@#!kin NAW! HoosierRadical Mar 2013 #101

WTF? OhioChick Mar 2013 #103

So a handful of gerrymandered JEB Mar 2013 #104

LIFT THE FICA CAP + TIE IT TO INFLATION FIRST! pansypoo53219 Mar 2013 #105

Uh... no. No they mustn't. AlbertCat Mar 2013 #106

Fuck this demwing Mar 2013 #116

I would rather they did NOTHING till the 2014 elections Politicalboi Mar 2013 #107

No changes to Social Security and Medicare, period steve2470 Mar 2013 #110

Fuck That... WillyT Mar 2013 #111

we have been getting screwed in the arse for years and now they want to screw us even more? indivisibleman Mar 2013 #113

And I tell him to fuck off the middle class is done Fearless Mar 2013 #114

President needs to stop negotiating with himself. kiranon Mar 2013 #115

We should create a petition asking Obama to switch to the (R) side brentspeak Mar 2013 #117

I'm tired from fighting the GOPtea decayincl Mar 2013 #126

Willing tool for the 1%. blkmusclmachine Mar 2013 #118

Let's see. Third Doctor Mar 2013 #127

Ditto. smirkymonkey Mar 2013 #179

Does Barack Obama want Democrats to lose in 2014? jsr Mar 2013 #135

When the Newest Reality Mar 2013 #136

I am not open to it -- if I were, I would have voted Republican Samantha Mar 2013 #140

Ahh...another BASH OBAMA thread. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #147

"Leftists never cease to amaze me" says the rightist Dragonfli Mar 2013 #150

Naw. I'm no "rightist". I'm a DEMOCRAT who supports our DEMOCRATIC PRESIDENT. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #154

No, you support one man, and say fuck you to the party Dragonfli Mar 2013 #158

More bullshit from the LooneyLeft Brigade. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #160

Oh my god, you are crazy after all, wish you better health, btw Dragonfli Mar 2013 #162

Don't bother. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2013 #164

"Obama needs to be held accountable" ? For ....................what? cstanleytech Mar 2013 #178

+ more ones than will fit in this box. n/t L0oniX Mar 2013 #213

You're delusional. You? Mainstream?? Bwaaaahahaha! BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #208

"Only the extremes on the Left are." No, the right also has them, they are just hiding under cstanleytech Mar 2013 #217

Sounds like the title of a thread from freeperville Doctor_J Mar 2013 #194

Callin' em as I sees 'em. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #207

I'm surprised you didn't say "moonbats". Occulus Mar 2013 #272

Public option. JEB Mar 2013 #151

One word: CONGRESS. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #156

You are really unbelieveable, BCD Carolina Mar 2013 #191

The unrealistic Leftists like you and others infesting this Democratic Party site BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #202

blah, blah, blah Carolina Mar 2013 #239

Another Dem bashing liberals Doctor_J Mar 2013 #192

Hey Buddy, you said so yourself I AM A DEM. BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #200

Daily Kos is ultra-LEFT?? Occulus Mar 2013 #218

Actually, the "anti-Obamanites" are at FreedomWorks. WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2013 #296

The article is using direct quotes. The reporter is not distorting, or passing along rumors. Demit Mar 2013 #197

Direct from the horse's mouth: BlueCaliDem Mar 2013 #199

The horse's mouth is at the OTHER end Occulus Mar 2013 #220

I know he claims to be a Democrat. I know he runs as a Democrat. Demit Mar 2013 #233

If he keeps this shit up he isn't going to be elected to a third term still_one Mar 2013 #175

Yes, I am very open to changes. I completely agree. gtar100 Mar 2013 #176

If Obama had public ally taken this position on entitlements prior to his nomination, we might ladjf Mar 2013 #177

If he'd taken it public during the GE campaign, Rmoney would be president Doctor_J Mar 2013 #193

no MFM008 Mar 2013 #181

fuck any deal that touches medicare or social security. bowens43 Mar 2013 #184

I dont think this is new information... he has made similar statements in the past. DCBob Mar 2013 #188

I don't see any post saying they are surprised. Disgusted is a better word for the mood of the Bluenorthwest Mar 2013 #205

Then why 200+ responses to something people arent surprised about? DCBob Mar 2013 #212

this news sweetapogee Mar 2013 #195

K&R DeSwiss Mar 2013 #196

OH, NOES!!! Bring on the calvary!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Mar 2013 #219

Obama and the Republicans should be open to job-deficit changes. AnotherMcIntosh Mar 2013 #225

He NEVER misses an opportunity to say that. FiveGoodMen Mar 2013 #226

Fuck that noise... truebrit71 Mar 2013 #230

start with their salaries and benefits - make them have to take on the same healthcare everyone else 2Design Mar 2013 #238

No fucking way alarimer Mar 2013 #240

If millions are still be spent in Iraq and Afghanistan then there is no deal Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2013 #243

Obama doesn't have to get reelected ...they do lovuian Mar 2013 #245

The people they're really working for will find them nice new jobs. FiveGoodMen Mar 2013 #295

Is it possible to live with Republicans? gordianot Mar 2013 #254

Your position is somewhat inconsistent - if you oppose 100% off all, then you oppose Rand Paul's 24601 Mar 2013 #288

What kind of "changes" does he have in mind? subterranean Mar 2013 #255

He's right... Orsino Mar 2013 #269

You never negotiate with hostage takers.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2013 #277

NO Way...I have paid into SS and Medicare for 40 years...Entitlement my ass ELI BOY 1950 Mar 2013 #278

No Notafraidtoo Mar 2013 #279

No what though? cstanleytech Mar 2013 #287

Fuck.That.Shit. truebrit71 Mar 2013 #289

We do, we just dont have them in majority control over congress nor are they the majority cstanleytech Mar 2013 #292

Fuck. No. NuttyFluffers Mar 2013 #297