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11. I am a christian as well, and as well a very liberal Democrat

Thu Feb 2, 2012, 03:30 PM

Feb 2012

the Name of Jesus and Christianity has been dragged through the Mud by more than its fair share of bad apples, evangelicals, medieval Catholics. but every faith has been dragged through the mud by its followers at least once, Osama Bin Laden, Al quieda, the Taliban, and Muslim Brotherhood give Islam a bad impression. depending on your interpretation the Zionist and Israel has dragged the Jewish name through the mud. Idk about Hindus and Buddhist. don't Forget Stalin and Mao who were Both Atheist.

So really Don't judge us all based on the few Bad apples in our group.

I too can completely understand why he is saying that both inside and outside the context of a reelection campaign.

though it wont quiet the Obama is a Muslim Bee ess. they would call Obama a Liar long before they ever admit that they are wrong.

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At prayer breakfast, Obama says Christian faith guides his policies [View all] alp227 Feb 2012 OP

Ew, I just threw up a little. Time to pander I guess. Lionessa Feb 2012 #1

Ha! Stuckinthebush Feb 2012 #5

Its not pandering if he says it because he believes it SaintPete Feb 2012 #43

depending on your point of view deacon_sephiroth Feb 2012 #47

Obviously he is using a tactic/strategy here. Condescendingly and slyly calling out conservatives. FarLeftFist Feb 2012 #68

i don't think it is entirely that cynical arely staircase Feb 2012 #78

Agree and thank you. classof56 Feb 2012 #102

Putting forth the idea that he is in anyway using a faith to make gov't decisions Lionessa Feb 2012 #52

I would argue Chiyo-chichi Feb 2012 #58

In fact, getting involved in the hypocrisy, in-fighting and meanness that JDPriestly Feb 2012 #154

"his religion"?....Give it a rest....MOST of the world's religions preach "love they neighbor" whathehell Feb 2012 #94

"for unto whom much is given, much shall be required" is such a pandering anti-constitutional thing? uppityperson Feb 2012 #148

He SHOULD be suggesting it because it's the logical thing to do to get the economy to recover, NOT Lionessa Feb 2012 #152

You really should get that stomach of yours looked at. eom uppityperson Feb 2012 #153

Yes. Jesus' teachings were not unique. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #155

He went to services in Hawaii over Christmas 2011. n/t secondwind Feb 2012 #201

No, azureblue Feb 2012 #48

Been there, done those, and still it's an entirely vomit-worthy comment. Lionessa Feb 2012 #53

you really are a vomiter, eh? SaintPete Feb 2012 #96

Actually, I'd bet more people would find your persistent religion hating spleen venting whathehell Feb 2012 #97

Thank you, whatthehell. CBHagman Feb 2012 #111

You're very welcome.. whathehell Feb 2012 #118

You have no idea why that might be? HuckleB Feb 2012 #166

So what? HuckleB Feb 2012 #165

�...it also coincides with Jesus�s teaching that for unto whom much is given... FiveGoodMen Feb 2012 #59

+1 HuckleB Feb 2012 #80

yeah, that's how he kept a right wing congress from letting unemployment benefits expire arely staircase Feb 2012 #83

+++1,000 nt nanabugg Feb 2012 #185

+ 2000 BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #194

Devil's in the details. Igel Feb 2012 #84

Presidents don't set tax rates. The Congress does. CBHagman Feb 2012 #112

Dumb bullshit half truth. emulatorloo Feb 2012 #143

But that was then and now he has an election to win...... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #161

Feeling a bit condescending today? enlightenment Feb 2012 #63

LOTS of condescending atheists on this board. n/t whathehell Feb 2012 #101

Your concern is duly noted. LAGC Feb 2012 #123

Actually, it is....When you're secure enough to leave your small world whathehell Feb 2012 #132

being a minority doesn't make you wrong, implying so makes you sound rather La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #134

nah bro Warren DeMontague Feb 2012 #146

lol La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #147

... SammyWinstonJack Feb 2012 #163

For being mildly rebuking, baldrad Feb 2012 #72

Like in Matthew 6:5, where Jesus explicitly said not to make conspicuous displays of prayer? MNBrewer Feb 2012 #81

Exactly. HuckleB Feb 2012 #79

Don't be silly... whathehell Feb 2012 #103

That has nothing to do with what I posted. HuckleB Feb 2012 #108

"for unto whom much is given, much shall be required" is illogical, doesn't use evidence, is bad? uppityperson Feb 2012 #149

So that's the extent of this supposed faith? HuckleB Feb 2012 #157

Who said that? Only your assumption there. Is "for unto whom much is given, much shall be required" uppityperson Feb 2012 #158

If you're going to stick to that single line, then you're apparently making that assumption. HuckleB Feb 2012 #159

Simply waiting for you to answer my question rather than dodge it. uppityperson Feb 2012 #167

I've given an answer. HuckleB Feb 2012 #169

Please show me where you answered that question as I don't see it. Thank you. uppityperson Feb 2012 #170

And now you're off on another tangent. HuckleB Feb 2012 #171

You said you answered. I'd like to see the answer as I can't find it. You now won't show me your uppityperson Feb 2012 #173

You're asking politely? HuckleB Feb 2012 #188

Maybe he throws up at atheists. whathehell Feb 2012 #88

Maybe he throws up at atheists. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #92

Like me, he probably doesn't have problems with atheists generally, just the rude, intolerant whathehell Feb 2012 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author HuckleB Feb 2012 #160

What about holding 2 competing ideas cilla4progress Feb 2012 #113

Hmm. HuckleB Feb 2012 #162

What's wrong with belief, or faith? cilla4progress Feb 2012 #197

In other words, you can't answer my questions. HuckleB Feb 2012 #208

So your view prevails? cilla4progress Feb 2012 #210

How is noting that the stories are unfounded being intolerant? HuckleB Feb 2012 #211

You give no credence cilla4progress Feb 2012 #212

Say what? HuckleB Feb 2012 #213

Every creation story is true cilla4progress Feb 2012 #214

Oh brother. HuckleB Feb 2012 #215

Oooh - no place in politics - cilla4progress Feb 2012 #218

Again, oh brother. HuckleB Feb 2012 #219

Who you talking about? I'm a pagan. cilla4progress Feb 2012 #220

What? Its a freaking prayer breakfast cstanleytech Feb 2012 #119

This story has generated a whole lot of nausea and vomiting on both sides of the political aisle slackmaster Feb 2012 #139

Who are we really to question his faith when it's obvious that he tries to live his beliefs. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #145

this just makes me sad.... mike_c Feb 2012 #2

Obama is a pretty smart dude. AlbertCat Feb 2012 #93

Of course he did. This pisses off the birthers that claim he's a secret moose-lim. AtheistCrusader Feb 2012 #117

how man people did jesus kill in drone attacks? the bible is mum on the topic nt msongs Feb 2012 #3

...or find a closet that would hold 3000 people? pocoloco Feb 2012 #7

They didn't have drones in Jesus's time. demosincebirth Feb 2012 #18

Or what? Cherchez la Femme Feb 2012 #36

No but they had stones, same thing just shorter range. Uncle Joe Feb 2012 #56

From stones to drones. My how we have evolved. iscooterliberally Feb 2012 #61

Sure they did Hawkowl Feb 2012 #70

The ruling class would have used them against him if they did. harun Feb 2012 #205

Christian faith guides mine, too. That's why I'm a Liberal Democrat BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #4

I think the majority of "non-Christians"... Wait Wut Feb 2012 #9

I am a christian as well, and as well a very liberal Democrat MACARD Feb 2012 #11

You are correct, but the many Christian haters here will NOT want to hear it. whathehell Feb 2012 #90

"angry atheists" refusing to acknowledge that there are any but the Right Wing fundamentalist AlbertCat Feb 2012 #95

Post removed Post removed Feb 2012 #98

The most anger and judgment in this thread appears to be in your posts FlaGatorJD Feb 2012 #128

In your view -- If you check the thread, you'll see I've gotten "thanks" from others here. whathehell Feb 2012 #130

good to hear from you, as an atheist i can understand that religion is not inherently partisan. alp227 Feb 2012 #110

I'm with you MACARD. The Wielding Truth Feb 2012 #180

Then why DOMA? zipplewrath Feb 2012 #15

My sediments (since we are talking about stones) exactly. FedUp_Queer Feb 2012 #77

DOMA is a Clinton and Republican law BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #195

Mine, too! Cuz Jesus was a liberal. Point. Blank. Period! Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2012 #37

Thanks LS71. BlueCaliDem Feb 2012 #196

thank you nt arely staircase Feb 2012 #87

Right on BlueCaliDem! cilla4progress Feb 2012 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author cilla4progress Feb 2012 #115

Right on! cilla4progress Feb 2012 #116

Thank you, me also. Not the Fundamentalist Extremist bs, but as you say. uppityperson Feb 2012 #150

It sounds to me like he's suggesting a simple pattern Feb 2012 #6

Abraham Lincoln's "Second Inaugural". . . Journeyman Feb 2012 #24

I'm going to save that quote. pnorman Feb 2012 #34

Thanks for that. a simple pattern Feb 2012 #50

Isn't that the quote on the wall in the Lincoln Memorial? nt patrice Feb 2012 #64

Yes. His two most important speeches are etched in full on the walls of the memorial. . . Journeyman Feb 2012 #109

Yes. Obama was sincere in talking about his own faith. JDPriestly Feb 2012 #33

Aw, he's just sucking up to the yokels tularetom Feb 2012 #8

Whom is he trying to convince of that? AmericaIsGreat Feb 2012 #10

thank you for proving my point! ever predictable MACARD Feb 2012 #12

It's election season. tblue Feb 2012 #14

Well, I don't see any evidence that he has used Christianity to guide his policies AmericaIsGreat Feb 2012 #67

The same thing he said the last time... Kahuna Feb 2012 #13

Until the 1970's and 1980's Christian activists in politics were left of center bluestateguy Feb 2012 #16

The naysayers skip those issues when they read U.S. history, just like the fundies skipping the most demosincebirth Feb 2012 #20

He's consistent. truthisfreedom Feb 2012 #17

The Fellowship kenfrequed Feb 2012 #19

Whats with this myth Iliyah Feb 2012 #21

Areed. efhmc Feb 2012 #26

You are correct. whathehell Feb 2012 #104

Thank you. emulatorloo Feb 2012 #144

they are not aligned with the devil Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #175

You asked "Wasn't Obama brought up as an atheist?" DesertRat Feb 2012 #22

Sad. The #1 thing that guides his policies SHOULD be his love of the Constitution. kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #23

Particularly since he's supposed to be a Constitutional scholar. Lionessa Feb 2012 #55

He doesn't even need sulphurdunn Feb 2012 #73

+1 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 kestrel91316 Feb 2012 #151

Yea, people, Obama should come right out as an Atheist! flamingdem Feb 2012 #25

thank you. Its called poliltics. zonkers Feb 2012 #32

Yes, unlike the tone-deaf Romney, Obama actually knows what you have to say in order to get elected nxylas Feb 2012 #57

It would also be dishonest, since he isn't one. nt Critters2 Feb 2012 #120

Jeebus told me to kill Osama!!!1! AngryAmish Feb 2012 #27

You might read this from snopes before the election TexasProgresive Feb 2012 #28

I love that President Obama is standing up for Christians Obamacare Feb 2012 #29

I do admit there has been a lot of Brand poisoning. Gore1FL Feb 2012 #76

Who is doing the judging? Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #176

Rather than reaffirming their faith in Christianity usrname Feb 2012 #30

Well to be honest, depends on which Christian values LynneSin Feb 2012 #31

Well in my book those are the real Christian values. The Christian Right has perverted yellowcanine Feb 2012 #40

Amen! LynneSin Feb 2012 #46

I have no problem with this as long as it is the Sermon on the Mount and the Golden Rule. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #35

The "National Prayer Breakfast" is sponsored by none other than our old friends on C Street KamaAina Feb 2012 #38

But Obama delivered a much different message than the usual Prayer Breakfast speaker. yellowcanine Feb 2012 #44

That proves it! He is a secret Muslin!! KamaAina Feb 2012 #69

That's an accusation cut from whole cloth. . . Journeyman Feb 2012 #204

and...check! Phlem Feb 2012 #39

WWJD? MisterP Feb 2012 #41

"....Jesus�s teaching that �for unto whom much is given, much shall be required,� � Obama said yellowcanine Feb 2012 #42

Ah, that's from the Acts o' the Apostles....Chapter 4 Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #71

Yes, another thing the Christian Right keeps very quiet about. Of course they don's so much as read yellowcanine Feb 2012 #127

Then he ought to re-study the "suffer the children" line - bread_and_roses Feb 2012 #45

in the words of Bender... deacon_sephiroth Feb 2012 #49

Would it be too much to ask that logic and reason be his guide, rather than bronze-age bullshit? Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #51

Actually Christ lived during the Iron Age. n/t EX500rider Feb 2012 #60

Oh, well that's completely different then. [nt] Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #75

... Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #86

Yes, in that logic and reason can't do it all...There are these things called "values" whathehell Feb 2012 #121

ok deacon_sephiroth Feb 2012 #135

There are logical rationales for those values Jester Messiah Feb 2012 #164

Glad I wasn't there One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #54

like it or not...that is what he believes madrchsod Feb 2012 #62

2006: Barack Obama: Call To Renewal - Faith and Politics Speech Tx4obama Feb 2012 #65

I'm a little confused by a group that faults him on being Christian and then also faults patrice Feb 2012 #66

I fault him for his opposition to the rights of others using dogma as an excuse. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #74

While I get what he is saying... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #82

I wish we could live in a country where people were secure enough whathehell Feb 2012 #122

Yeah, and we're tired of religion being shoved in our faces at every opportunity. LAGC Feb 2012 #124

Who here is "shoving religion in your faces at every opportunity"?..I'm certainly not. whathehell Feb 2012 #131

"Screw your condescension and arrogance". Is this the new standard for discussion? nm rhett o rick Feb 2012 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #202

if your faith were so strong and secure awoke_in_2003 Feb 2012 #203

Gag. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #85

Obama says Christian faith guides his policies AlbertCat Feb 2012 #89

Only FUNDAMENTALIST Christian faith excludes ... markpkessinger Feb 2012 #91

THANK You!!.... whathehell Feb 2012 #105

Faith does not include logic and common sense. Faith is "belief that does not rhett o rick Feb 2012 #138

Being guided by one's faith is not the same as "using faith to solve real world problems" markpkessinger Feb 2012 #174

With respect, they sound the same to me. rhett o rick Feb 2012 #179

What do people expect the president to say at a prayer breakfast? Akoto Feb 2012 #99

He could have a prior engagement. Arugula Latte Feb 2012 #107

Really? So the president should abandon tradition to appease atheists? That's Kahuna Feb 2012 #125

Speaking as an Episcopalian, perhaps he should abandon it . . . markpkessinger Feb 2012 #168

you don't have to be an atheist to think that there is already excessive religion in politics La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #177

True that. But, it is what it is. All presidents will always Kahuna Feb 2012 #200

Ya know Coyote_Bandit Feb 2012 #106

Who Would Jesus Bomb? SHRED Feb 2012 #126

since the Emperor Constantine, everyone and anyone who is a threat to the state. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #129

Yeah, except that "threat to the state" stuff is hardly limited to Jesus, or Constantine. whathehell Feb 2012 #133

argument wasn't made. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #136

I agree deacon_sephiroth Feb 2012 #137

Why does one have to include every figure? HuckleB Feb 2012 #172

In his case I actually believe it Doctor_J Feb 2012 #141

That's sad. bowens43 Feb 2012 #142

While I appreciate him shoving the Christian thing down the GOP's throats ... Myrina Feb 2012 #156

so true. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #178

oh, so that's why he orders choie Feb 2012 #181

Ewwww. . . . just spit up a moutful from lunch. . . . BigDemVoter Feb 2012 #182

So he is either lying or stupid? Throd Feb 2012 #183

Why do people have to be so stupid and sensitive JI7 Feb 2012 #184

Yes, we should all continue to bow down to this nonsense. HuckleB Feb 2012 #189

nobody is asking you to bow down to anything JI7 Feb 2012 #190

Oh, I understand politics just fine. HuckleB Feb 2012 #192

so what the fuck are you outraged for ? don't you want Obama to win the election and expose JI7 Feb 2012 #193

Who said I was outraged? HuckleB Feb 2012 #209

I just threw up a little! Jefferson is rolling in his grave. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #186

What are you bitching about? cbrer Feb 2012 #187

The RUMMYisFROSTED Feb 2012 #191

If Thomas Jefferson were to run for president today he wouldn't get past the primaries because Monk06 Feb 2012 #198

Why should he say something that he doesn't believe? SaintPete Feb 2012 #206

It was a rhetorical suggestion. The rightwing goes out of its way to avoid the fact Monk06 Feb 2012 #207

You think Obama is lying about his beliefs? Zax2me Feb 2012 #216

I don't think he's lying I just don't approve of public displays of piety. Leave that to the Fundies Monk06 Feb 2012 #217

The following image is in response to this thread, not Obama's remarks... killbotfactory Feb 2012 #199