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117. That's some seriously fucked up shit.

Reply to bettyellen (Original post)

Sun Mar 17, 2013, 06:53 PM

Mar 2013

Whether they knew it met the definition of rape, they should have known it met the definition of "wrong".

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Steubenville Rape Trial: "These kids didn't know what they were seeing was rape," says advocate [View all] bettyellen Mar 2013 OP

God, now *I* want to vomit ismnotwasm Mar 2013 #1

I'm skeptical. Did they really think . . . caseymoz Mar 2013 #2

I agree- but the article is about the kids witnessing it. And about ignorance about rape in general bettyellen Mar 2013 #12

I thought... levp Mar 2013 #3

They knew it was rape, and they knew it was wrong, and ignorance of the law is no excuse..... marble falls Mar 2013 #4

It's not about the perps- it's about the kids who witnessed it. bettyellen Mar 2013 #11

I know that. The witnesses who stood around gawking, cheering on and photograpging ... marble falls Mar 2013 #15

I agree-but to prevent this kind of inaction in the future- we have to educate the good kids bettyellen Mar 2013 #31

Bullshit. riqster Mar 2013 #56

cuddled? try EDUCATED and HELD ACCOUNTABLE. bettyellen Mar 2013 #60

I think that is the story they tell to get out of trouble. riqster Mar 2013 #61

you do know there were loads of kids that witnessed nothing but her drunken stumbling? bettyellen Mar 2013 #64

Again, I think you are too kind riqster Mar 2013 #71

No good kids were involved in this debacle, period. juajen Mar 2013 #69

Exactly. Thank you. uppityperson Mar 2013 #91

Uh, did you guys read the OP? Comrade Grumpy Mar 2013 #95

well I guess they do now huh azurnoir Mar 2013 #5

sucks iamthebandfanman Mar 2013 #6

They called it rape themselves that night qalex Mar 2013 #7

It's not about the perps- it's about the kids who witnessed it. bettyellen Mar 2013 #10

What's so hard for you to get: the witnesses are criminal, too. marble falls Mar 2013 #17

I was responding to a post that wrongly assumed the article was about the rapists, NOT the witnesses bettyellen Mar 2013 #19

Hey bettyellen! I though maybe there was a missed communication. I enjoy your posts when I get to .. marble falls Mar 2013 #24

no problem- I think it's true many suspected it was rape, but her own friends were not certain bettyellen Mar 2013 #27

True. But in that this girl was the only girl there, did everybody think this was consensual? .... marble falls Mar 2013 #36

I think most of the physical stuff happened in a smaller group, and there was gossip bettyellen Mar 2013 #44

i agree. all of them knew. the coaches house they were at knew. the friends knew. seabeyond Mar 2013 #57

Here is the first line of the article, talking about those who saw the rape. uppityperson Mar 2013 #93

I think they are still working exboyfil Mar 2013 #105

Which is exactly what qalex keeps posting, adding a voice that sounds like this person is not only tpsbmam Mar 2013 #50

many MORE kids witnessed her stumbling but not the rape... the OP is about them. bettyellen Mar 2013 #67

but betty, many were seeing the pictures and video of a passed out girl being assaulted. nt seabeyond Mar 2013 #68

Do we know how many of the 50 kids saw? bettyellen Mar 2013 #112

Wrong. First line in the article "As she listens to the testimony of witness after witness who saw.. uppityperson Mar 2013 #92

Well, it certainly became about them after 10pm when you edited it and added that element in qalex Mar 2013 #97

I clarified because people mistakenly thought it was about the rapists themselves. bettyellen Mar 2013 #110

Well said, and welcome to DU! alp227 Mar 2013 #37

Thank you. qalex Mar 2013 #46

I give credit to the angry guys and wonder if they created the blog Anonymous found? freshwest Mar 2013 #38

I think they did know.... Kalidurga Mar 2013 #8

It's not about the perps- it's about the kids who witnessed it. bettyellen Mar 2013 #9

I think many of them knew as well. Kalidurga Mar 2013 #13

only a few saw the acts, but most saw her completely incapacitated and should know bettyellen Mar 2013 #18

The witnesses were the ones on record as calling it rape that night, not the accused qalex Mar 2013 #14

her own friends questioned what went on- and did not help. It's a bit more complex than you'd bettyellen Mar 2013 #29

Erm, I'm following the case, and her friends weren't present. qalex Mar 2013 #35

her friends were following tweets, FB posts and hearing about it that night, and she had to explain bettyellen Mar 2013 #58

She wasn't in contact with her friends until the next day qalex Mar 2013 #96

i can see lots of reason they did that. and how better to unconsciously protect oneself when being seabeyond Mar 2013 #59

yes, but only knowledge will empower them to know what the right thing is bettyellen Mar 2013 #62

i can agree with this. but... i cant give a lot of slack. thinking back to a kid.... what would seabeyond Mar 2013 #66

the OP is about the hapless people who saw her stumble and heard rumors bettyellen Mar 2013 #70

we literally live in a culture where this kind of entertainment is a norm for our kids and all the seabeyond Mar 2013 #72

if she had any chance at all, it was destroyed by the stupid messages that kids get, yes... bettyellen Mar 2013 #74

What about these 2 who did witness the rape yet didn't look at it as rape? uppityperson Mar 2013 #94

and her two "friends" who apparently think it was no big deal- she asked for it by consenting to bettyellen Mar 2013 #116

Yes - it was planned and carried out by a cruel, callous group. freshwest Mar 2013 #39

This is so effed up Blandocyte Mar 2013 #16

the coaches who hosted should be held accountable. bettyellen Mar 2013 #77

OMG! like a dead body ... that's wonderful. Just fuggin' wonderful! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #20

Ain't it though? They don't look too worried in court: freshwest Mar 2013 #33

It's a good damn thing that I cannot go there! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #40

I hear you! freshwest Mar 2013 #43

My anger against these rapist is a personal one. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #45

I can't say much on a public message board. But I doubt they'd listen to a survivor. freshwest Mar 2013 #47

I can say that I think Rush is disgusting. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #49

Me, too. riqster Mar 2013 #75

I meant exactly what I said: In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #99

Bless you for the good work you do riqster Mar 2013 #101

Please keep this first and foremost in your mind: Do No Harm To Yourself! In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #102

Thank you again riqster Mar 2013 #104

No problem. In_The_Wind Mar 2013 #107

Why did that article put Victim in scare quotes? AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #76

The hell they didn't know. Brigid Mar 2013 #21

i think they suspect, but want to believe otherwise.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #23

The most successful reduction strategy qalex Mar 2013 #42

Thanks for adding that info and welcome to DU! tpsbmam Mar 2013 #51

we know about the witnesses who called it rape - but there are 30-40 other kids there bettyellen Mar 2013 #53

They didn't witness anything. qalex Mar 2013 #90

THIS!! >>the Bystander Effect posits that as unlikely unless the inherently wrong nature of what<<< bettyellen Mar 2013 #55

Horrible people. Absolutely horrible. Dawson Leery Mar 2013 #22

They knew exactly what they were doing and now they are fighting for their lives, benld74 Mar 2013 #25

yes, but it happened because too many witnesses were unsure WTH was going on.... bettyellen Mar 2013 #30

Agreed to that, then its the parents who don't teach their kids what to, benld74 Mar 2013 #109

But, but, but... spooky3 Mar 2013 #26

"rape" is not just a stranger in a dark alley with a knife. I am appalled that they think it is. uppityperson Mar 2013 #28

Reality check libdude Mar 2013 #32

it's really about the majority of witnesses who were too unsure of what was happening bettyellen Mar 2013 #34

They didn't know it was rape? Unknown Beatle Mar 2013 #41

they knew what was going on, iamthebandfanman Mar 2013 #48

good on you for doing that. bettyellen Mar 2013 #83

Is she an advocate or a moron.... Historic NY Mar 2013 #52

knowing about "getting you end wet", please. she is an advocate for more education... and if you bettyellen Mar 2013 #54

Part of the question... davidthegnome Mar 2013 #63

What a bunch of crap. Are they trying to say that this was a frequent juajen Mar 2013 #65

I get the impression that rape is a common thing in Steubenville siligut Mar 2013 #73

There were no innocent bystanders. PDJane Mar 2013 #78

who made an issue of consent? bettyellen Mar 2013 #79

That's what the defence is. That she consented. PDJane Mar 2013 #80

I meant in the OP. But thanks! bettyellen Mar 2013 #81

And pray tell, what the hell did they think that it was????? Beacool Mar 2013 #82

one last time, not at all about the rapists themselves, but about many kids at the party. bettyellen Mar 2013 #84

You're not listening. One more time. I did read the article. PDJane Mar 2013 #85

wasn't responding to you, but someone else commenting about the rapists themselves. bettyellen Mar 2013 #86

Katie Hanna chervilant Mar 2013 #87

Sorry, a lifetime of what if isn't enough. PDJane Mar 2013 #88

I agree completely. chervilant Mar 2013 #89

Lacking empathy does not mean you can't be moral Shivering Jemmy Mar 2013 #106

"Blaming the Victim" chervilant Mar 2013 #108

"Rape is Rape" - President Barack Obama Ash_F Mar 2013 #98

For those advocating charging witnesses to this heinous crime LTG Mar 2013 #100

WIsh I could say I were surprised. Threedifferentones Mar 2013 #103

I wonder if Whoopi considers this rape or "rape-rape"? marshall Mar 2013 #111

That's bullshit.These kids knew exactly what they were doing & r pitifully exposed to sex by age 10 judesedit Mar 2013 #113

It's not about the perps, but thanks! bettyellen Mar 2013 #114

A particularly hot corner of hell Doctor_J Mar 2013 #115

That's some seriously fucked up shit. winter is coming Mar 2013 #117

her friends turning against her as if she deserved it- have no clue what incapacitated is... bettyellen Mar 2013 #119

Aah Yes! I recognize the morality of the Bush years... cbrer Mar 2013 #118