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happyslug

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23. The Falklands want NOTHING to do with its NEAREST neighbor? Sooner or later something has to give
Thu Feb 2, 2012, 11:06 PM
Feb 2012

Look at where the Falklands are, the nearest Country is Argentina. The next nearest Country is Chile, but you have to go through Argentina from Chile to get to the Falklands. The third nearest Country is Uruguay and the fourth is Brazil, both of which supports Argentina in this matter (and did in 1982). The rest of South America is nearer to the Falklands then the nearest NON-South American Country, South Africa.

Please note I am ignoring the South Georgia and South Sandwich island in this discussion given their population of 30 people. And while the the tip of Northern South America is further from the Falklands then South Africa, the countries on that northern tip, Columbia, Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname and French Guinea all extend southward so that all of them have areas closer to the Falklands then South Africa. I mention this for it clearly shows who Britain and the Falkland island have to deal with Argentina, just like Castro has to deal with the US (Castro may NOT like dealing with the US, but the US Dollar is used in Cuba and there is a good bit of movement between Cuba and Cubans living in Florida).

The Falklands was nothing but a Coaling Station till the British Navy converted to oil after 1900. The Falklands have a population of just over 3100 people. To get anywhere from anywhere you either have to go by Ship OR by plane. Given the population of the Island the Airport is large for such a population but it is still a SMALL airport. For that reason any flight to the Island has to come from some Country in South America. I.e. Argentina, Uruguay, Brazil or Chile. Uruguay and Brazil support Argentina, thus, except after Pinochet was arrested, all trips had to go via Chile (After Pinochet arrest, Chile stopped all flights and afterward all fights had to be through Argentina until Chile resumed them).

This is why when the Husband of Margret Thatcher actually visited the island, he questioned why Britain actually fought over it.

More on the Falklands:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands

The modern conflict seems to be a fight over the oil and natural gas deposits around the Falklands. If the Falklands are part of Argentina then those rights belong to Argentina. If the Falklands belong to Britain those rights, that do NOT overlap with Argentina rights, belong to the Falklands. In areas where those rights overlap, the line is the halfway point between any point in Argentina and any point on the Falklands. Here is a map showing what Britain is claiming for the Falklands:



In simple terms, this is a growing fight over who gets the oil and natural gas out of the area. Can the Falklands support the full exploration of these resources without Argentina? With a population of 3100 I do not think so, Great Britain and South African are to far away. Uruguay is small, and tied in with Argentina, thus that leaves Brazil and Argentina. Brazil has supported Argentina is this dispute so Brazil is not an option, so sooner or later Britain and the Islanders themselves will have to deal with Argentina.

Unlike the Falkland island themselves, Argentina not only has the population to support such exploitation, it has the industrial capacity and other support elements to support exploration of the area around the islands, thus the recent flare up seems to be more positioning between Great Britain and Argentina as those two work out how the exploitation of those resources are to be handled. The Falkland islanders comments, while appear to be valid concerns, seems to me to be used by the British as part of that negotiations for a deal with Argentina in regards to exploitation of those resources.

Thus sooner or later some sort of deal has to be made between Britain and Argentina over the Falklands. Everyone knows this, but the positioning can be interesting in itself. Argentina has the capacity to prevent any exploitation of the oil and gas resources and Britain knows this. Britain has the capacity to hold on to the Falklands, and Argentina knows this. Argentina wants the Island, Britain wants to get to the Oil and Natural Gas around the Island. A deal is going to be made. If I was the Falkland islanders I would accept that unpleasant fact, Britain will sell them down the river for the CHANCE of getting access to the Oil and Natural Gas in the areas around the Island. Right now, Britain is not yet ready to cut a deal, but when Britain wants to get at that oil and Gas, Argentina will demand the Falklands in exchange for Britain being able to use Argentina as a base to support such exploration and exploitation. Argentina will give the Islanders the right to remain and retain English Common Law (Something Argentina has already said they would do if the Falklands would join Argentina). Thus the elements of a deal is already known, the issue is getting around to making the deal and some how making it look good even if the Islanders object to the deal.

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Great Argentina DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #1
Exactly. Stella_Artois Feb 2012 #3
This again? Lawlbringer Feb 2012 #2
Seriously. racaulk Feb 2012 #6
tough mitchtv Feb 2012 #4
Joe Jackson gives an intro to this song about that place where 'they can't even agree on the name' waddirum Feb 2012 #16
cool ,as is Tango Atlantico mitchtv Feb 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Gringostan Feb 2012 #53
Excellent Gringostan Feb 2012 #54
Great song, thanks!!!! Beacool Feb 2012 #64
Every time the Argentine government COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #5
So if the Cubans carla Feb 2012 #7
Unless you can point to... brooklynite Feb 2012 #33
Cubans, FYI carla Feb 2012 #37
Right... EX500rider Feb 2012 #42
Sounds like an embargo, not a blockade. bemildred Feb 2012 #8
Economic dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #9
You can blockade with your economy? bemildred Feb 2012 #10
Cutting off their main line of supply dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #11
I'm pretty sure you can sail there from anywhere. bemildred Feb 2012 #13
Threat of military carla Feb 2012 #38
"The Malvinas are Argentinian." EX500rider Feb 2012 #41
since 1833? mitchtv Feb 2012 #46
What's the Monroe Doctrine got to do with it? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #52
reagan should never have aided UK mitchtv Feb 2012 #55
Even when that was a dictatorship invading a community that was happy? muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #57
Not really.. EX500rider Feb 2012 #60
Denying the flight from Chile access to Argentinian airspace muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #12
"Arguable" indeed. nt bemildred Feb 2012 #14
Look, I think they might as well pound sand, as far as the Falklands go, but bemildred Feb 2012 #15
It's not 'facilities' - it's airspace muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #18
Right, you don't have a right to use their airspace. nt bemildred Feb 2012 #25
Chile behaved treacherously to Argentina mitchtv Feb 2012 #47
Chile and Argentina were both military dictatorships then muriel_volestrangler Feb 2012 #51
remember the Sheffield Demonaut Feb 2012 #17
and also the General Belgrano mitchtv Feb 2012 #21
wow , wiki'd it, never knew...major loss of life, RIP General Belgrano and her crew Demonaut Feb 2012 #22
american blackout on Latin American news mitchtv Feb 2012 #48
The sinking of the General Belgrano was blacked out by US news media? Zorro Feb 2012 #49
I'm sure it was mentioned mitchtv Feb 2012 #56
Actually it was all over the news Zorro Feb 2012 #59
I was out on West Pac at the time so we had only heard of the Sheffield, I met some of her crew in Demonaut Feb 2012 #63
Indeed. CNN was all over it. Adsos Letter Feb 2012 #65
The English sent ships, last time they had a problem. No border fence in the Atlantic Ocean... freshwest Feb 2012 #19
The Falklands want NOTHING to do with its NEAREST neighbor? Sooner or later something has to give happyslug Feb 2012 #23
It'll probably be like the oil sharing deal between Sudan and South Sudan, eventually. joshcryer Feb 2012 #24
+1 bemildred Feb 2012 #26
There was a deal ikri Feb 2012 #27
Mark Twain made fun of your argument in regards to a relative of his happyslug Feb 2012 #28
But it's not what the inhabitants want ikri Feb 2012 #29
Did the British care about the Natives of North America, Africa, Asia, Australia etc??? happyslug Feb 2012 #32
Yes they did care. Boudica the Lyoness Feb 2012 #58
"Britain didn't sent smallpox ridden blankets to kill them off like Americans did to their natives." EX500rider Feb 2012 #61
The British almost wiped out a whole race of people, that of Tasmania. MichaelMcGuire Feb 2012 #62
The ONLY report of SMALLPOX Blankets being sent to the Native Americas was by BRITISH ORDERS happyslug Feb 2012 #66
I can speak to the blankets myth... Agent William Feb 2012 #67
They can't give up sovereignty and expect to get cooperation for developing the resources. joshcryer Feb 2012 #34
And Guam is where dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #30
Guam's # 1 source of tourists is Japan, 75% of all tourist are Japanese. happyslug Feb 2012 #31
I did some research on this oil exploitation, and frankly, I think you are wrong. The Falklanders... joshcryer Feb 2012 #35
YES and sooner or later Cuba will become one of the United States. It only makes sense (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #36
Jamaica too? dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #39
Annxation of Cuba has been kicked around since the 1850s happyslug Feb 2012 #40
US dollar is used in Cuba ? dipsydoodle Feb 2012 #45
Nobody lived there 500 years ago... hunter Feb 2012 #43
Good discusion Honest Turtle Feb 2012 #44
Welcome to DU. bemildred Feb 2012 #50
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