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78. The AWB was not useless junk.

Tue Mar 19, 2013, 08:59 PM

Mar 2013

Of course, many gungeoneers here will repeat the NRA talking point that the proposed AWB was just directed at cosmetics. Just like the NRA says universal background checks (which would help in your Detroit scenario) is useless. But if it was more comprehensive, they would not have approved of it either. It there were holes in it, the response should have been to fill the holes, not discard the whole AWB bill. The last federal AWB did make a difference.

According to a 2004 study from the University of Pennsylvania, the number of people killed in mass shootings did go down generally during the years that the ban was in effect. The study found that gun crimes involving assault weapons declined by as much as 72 percent in the localities examined after the ban went into effect. The number of mass shootings per year has doubled since the ban expired in 2004.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/newtown-connecticut-shootings-assault-weapons-ban-work/story?id=18000724&page=2

The NRA is not your friend, SpartanDem. Don't repeat their lies.

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Assault weapons ban dropped from Senate bill [View all] Little Star Mar 2013 OP

Not surprised. MinneapolisMatt Mar 2013 #1

It never was what supporters thought it was Recursion Mar 2013 #2

I'm confused Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #3

There is a gun control bill and the AWB Paul E Ester Mar 2013 #10

That makes more sense Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #55

thr gun nut lobby strikes again bowens43 Mar 2013 #4

2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 2014 Vote in the primarys. Get rid of these parasites judesedit Mar 2013 #5

There is no way Feinstein can be primaried out. She's very well entrenched. She'll be in the... slackmaster Mar 2013 #13

She was just xxqqqzme Mar 2013 #40

About two weeks ago she described the quest for an AW ban as her "life's mission." slackmaster Mar 2013 #45

Reid, not Feinstein Enrique Mar 2013 #66

I think Reid's decision to shed the poison pill will help ensure that he doesn't get primaried slackmaster Mar 2013 #68

I was thinking the same thing davidpdx Mar 2013 #110

Alaska, Montana, Arkansas, South Dakota, New Mexico, Virginia, Louisiana hack89 Mar 2013 #21

Really? Aquavit Mar 2013 #103

Just pointing out the politcal reality that gun control faces hack89 Mar 2013 #115

i hate to agree with Hack89 of all people maxsolomon Mar 2013 #170

Gun nuts win - let the bodies hit the floor jpak Mar 2013 #6

You think they care? Nihil Mar 2013 #75

We have a better chance of getting Assault Weapons Bans passed at the state level right now. SecularMotion Mar 2013 #7

You haven't been paying attention hack89 Mar 2013 #22

Which is telling... primavera Mar 2013 #100

Why do you think that support is evenly distributed? nt hack89 Mar 2013 #114

Depends on the state. No thanks here in WA. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #41

Too bad Dianne Feinstein isn't Senate Majority Leader red dog 1 Mar 2013 #8

Show the pictures of the bullet-riddled bodies of the children in a hearing. n/t BumRushDaShow Mar 2013 #9

When everyother strategy fails roxy1234 Mar 2013 #18

A 22 revolver will not blow the limbs off a child the way a spray from an AR-15 does (and did). SunSeeker Mar 2013 #48

Where does your information come from? Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #56

Seriously? You deny multiple rounds from an AR-15 can blow a KID's limbs off? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #65

I'm not saying is isn't (barely) possible Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #118

It's not impossible. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #140

Thank you for completing the trifecta of gungeoneer arguments. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #162

Um, bullshit. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #165

I see, going back to step 1. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #166

Mischaracterize all you want, you are factually wrong. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #167

Heres one right here. premium Mar 2013 #168

Let's talk bout rational SpartanDem Mar 2013 #58

The ability to clip in huge capacity is key, along with the high velocity of the bullets. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #67

High velocity? Clames Mar 2013 #70

As long as the rifle doesn't take extended mags, I'm fine with it. It's the combo. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #72

They should be banned too. Clames Mar 2013 #83

So predictable. I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself. nt SunSeeker Mar 2013 #84

Incorrigible. n/t Clames Mar 2013 #87

I'll jump in here... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #120

The bullets are the same length. You may be thinking of the cartridge Recursion Mar 2013 #128

high velocity DustyJoe Mar 2013 #130

You are mischaracterizing the .223 Remington/5.56 NATO cartridge. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #142

So, a gangbanger selling firearms illegally Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #119

The gangbanger bought the arms legally at first SpartanDem Mar 2013 #121

What you're describing is illegal Recursion Mar 2013 #129

Then, no, he wasn't buying the firearms legally Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #131

Without universal background checks, the straw purchaser can 'move' a lot more guns AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #144

A straw purchaser (by Definition) can PASS a background check Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #151

NO FUCKING SHIT. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #153

Alternatively, you can just plea out on the gun charge Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #155

Yesterday. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #157

And that is EXACTLY what needs to happen. Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #159

The two issues are separate. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #160

Ok that makes sense NT Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #161

Background checks can choke off one avenue by which those guns GET to the 'gangbanger' AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #143

Again, a straw purchaser (by definition) can PASS a background check. NT Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #152

Thanks for your meaningless and uninteresting response. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #154

With background checks there is a record SpartanDem Mar 2013 #164

I get that but I suspect it will take several years to see a dramatic change Trunk Monkey Mar 2013 #169

It was poision for the more reasonable and broadly accepted parts of the bill slackmaster Mar 2013 #11

Not good politics? Most Americans support an AWB. AR killings DOUBLED after the last one expired. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #82

No - they did not double hack89 Mar 2013 #88

Links? Deaths by ASSAULT Rifles did double. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #90

How could you possibly freaking know that? Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #95

Correct. The FBI UCR Table 20 only lists Rifles as a single category. Clames Mar 2013 #98

I read the news... SunSeeker Mar 2013 #102

The majority of mass shootings use normal handguns Recursion Mar 2013 #124

How about you providing a link that shows they doubled? hack89 Mar 2013 #113

You are spouting nonsense. Figures to discriminate crimes with "assault" vs. "hunting" rifles... slackmaster Mar 2013 #136

The rifle used at Sandy Hook was legal under the old AWB hack89 Mar 2013 #89

It IS an Assault Weapon, and would be illegal under Feinstein's AWB. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #91

Wouldn't have been banned anyway. Clames Mar 2013 #99

It would have banned future AR purchases, like the last AWB. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #101

Didn't ban those either. Clames Mar 2013 #105

Enough with the lies. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #107

Wrong again. Clames Mar 2013 #109

I sold a ton of new AR's during the ban NickB79 Mar 2013 #145

He's not lying. You could buy pre-ban weapons, new in box, that were produced prior to the ban. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #147

You brought up the old AWB hack89 Mar 2013 #112

It was not banned in 1994 because it only has one feature hack89 Mar 2013 #117

That rifle was perfectly legal for sale in 1995 after the CAWB was enacted. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #146

It's time for Harry Reid to step down as Senate Majority Leader BainsBane Mar 2013 #12

His fellow Senators get to choose their leader hack89 Mar 2013 #24

I agree! They need to vote him out as leader.... Little Star Mar 2013 #175

Call your Senators PADemD Mar 2013 #14

They don't listen to me. slackmaster Mar 2013 #15

I believe it. blackspade Mar 2013 #16

Good news. Peter cotton Mar 2013 #17

But...but....but.. LiberalLovinLug Mar 2013 #19

A minority of gun worshipers still controls the government Progressive dog Mar 2013 #20

Profiles in Cowardice CanonRay Mar 2013 #23

The threat of legislation may have backfired shagsak Mar 2013 #25

The yahoos that love such lethal weapons will always find a reason to buy them. Hoyt Mar 2013 #27

Of course it backfired. Look at the measurable results of the now-expired federal AWB: slackmaster Mar 2013 #28

+1000 nt Mojorabbit Mar 2013 #64

Irony is lost in this thread. Prohibition causes that. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #138

Shithole Country SidneyR Mar 2013 #26

Reid has blown it again! Duval Mar 2013 #29

In this case, the filibuster rule wouldn't have mattered, premium Mar 2013 #34

Laughing at all those 'fools' that stood in line to pay outrageous prices for those AW-lookalikes.;) Purveyor Mar 2013 #30

Apparently Reid does not work for the American people mwrguy Mar 2013 #31

The gun humpers win again. forestpath Mar 2013 #32

Another case of "OFF THE TABLE", right? SylviaD Mar 2013 #33

Something Sen. Feinstein's AWB didn't do. premium Mar 2013 #36

Expected. As the country blueifies and populates, UK and Japan type laws will be come to be. onehandle Mar 2013 #35

WRONG. The gun nuts breed like rabbits. Check state by state birth rates. n/t SylviaD Mar 2013 #38

We shot this bill down in Washington state. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #43

Are folks "breeding like rabbits" up there? Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #139

Nope. That's part of why, at least in some places in the country, that 'breeding' comment is invalid AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #141

20 dead babies in Connecticut not enough to do something? Botany Mar 2013 #37

He and the rest of our "leadership" has a lot to answer for. n/t SylviaD Mar 2013 #39

Actually, this increases the liklihood the bill will pass. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #44

Anytime we get half-a-bill, somebody calls it a "big fucking deal". Ken Burch Mar 2013 #54

In this case the alternative would have been no bill at all slackmaster Mar 2013 #57

By itself, the background checks are a big deal. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #59

Assuming THAT doesn't get watered-down to something halfway-or-less as well. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #60

True, there are a lot of ways that happens. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #61

It will pass only if no republican does the "pocket filibuster" thing Botany Mar 2013 #69

Sen. Feinstein herself admitted that she has barely 40 votes for an AWB, premium Mar 2013 #71

If 20 babies and 6 teachers being cut up by an assault rifle does not get .... Botany Mar 2013 #73

I well know what the M-16 can do to human flesh. premium Mar 2013 #74

I was just a kid but I saw what a V.C. or NVA grenade could do to ... Botany Mar 2013 #79

i'm struggling sweetapogee Mar 2013 #122

how about the right to assemble @ a: Botany Mar 2013 #125

if you believe sweetapogee Mar 2013 #134

Go sell that b.s. someplace else Botany Mar 2013 #135

murder is b.s. sweetapogee Mar 2013 #171

because this is not about me Botany Mar 2013 #172

Australia has had two mass killings since they banned assault weapons Recursion Mar 2013 #123

The ex P.M. of Australia would disagree with you ..... John Howard Botany Mar 2013 #126

The fact remains there have been two mass killings. Meanwhile, the US has had a *greater* reduction Recursion Mar 2013 #127

the US has had a *greater* reduction in gun and non-gun violence Botany Mar 2013 #132

OMG! You posted pictures of dead children! Suddenly facts are meaningless! Recursion Mar 2013 #133

You tried to use numbers, and when you found the numbers don't support your position AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #150

Those dead kids deserve to be seen and if it makes the gun lovers uncomfortable so what Botany Mar 2013 #156

Good grief you can't get anything right. AR stands for ARmalite. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #158

The AR stands for ARmalite. premium Mar 2013 #163

I totally agree with Michael Moore... horsedoc Mar 2013 #42

Bottom line - Newtown changed NOTHING. bullwinkle428 Mar 2013 #46

I think your conclusion is premature. The demise of the AW ban means a better chance that something slackmaster Mar 2013 #47

I hope your wrong. n/t Little Star Mar 2013 #52

In other words, there's now nothing in the bill that matters. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #49

Background checks on private sales of used firearms would be the biggest gun control win in decades slackmaster Mar 2013 #50

What? premium Mar 2013 #51

You have that backwards: the AWB was pointless Recursion Mar 2013 #62

OK...if nothing else AT ALL is changed in the bill. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #63

The AWB was useless junk SpartanDem Mar 2013 #53

The AWB was not useless junk. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #78

Well it was. Clames Mar 2013 #85

Bullshit. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #92

Those are specifically addressed in the studies I've linked. Clames Mar 2013 #96

Nothing in your links denies that deaths by ARs doubled since the AWB expired. SunSeeker Mar 2013 #104

You have provided absolutely no proof to back that spurious claim. Clames Mar 2013 #106

That 10 year ban didn't stop the sale of weapons like the one used in CT. AtheistCrusader Mar 2013 #148

Not surprised that it didn't proceed. Pterodactyl Mar 2013 #76

FUCK GUNS!!! elias7 Mar 2013 #77

It is a shame that too many in the House and Senate lack the political courage to take on the gun Nika Mar 2013 #80

Bingo Little Star Mar 2013 #81

+1,000. n/t. apocalypsehow Mar 2013 #94

gotta let mentally unstable whackjobs have their toys fascisthunter Mar 2013 #86

Exactly, otherwise, what would they wear? SunSeeker Mar 2013 #93

I'm no fan of Harry Reid. Llewlladdwr Mar 2013 #97

I knew it. jsr Mar 2013 #108

I can unfortunately davidpdx Mar 2013 #111

The AWB was dead with or without the filibuster reform madville Mar 2013 #173

Don't worry..... sendero Mar 2013 #116

Message auto-removed ICallBS Mar 2013 #137

Called it when the first calls for a new AWB were proposed NickB79 Mar 2013 #149

Let the military give up their assault weapons first Ter Mar 2013 #174